"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Feelings after one night stand

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Hey there,

Long story short...I met a girl online and we went out on a date.
The date was perfect and we ended up at my place cooking for her.

We had dinner, watched a movie and after the movie I grabbed her hand and took her directly to my bedroom, no explanation given whatsoever. She didn't resist.

We had really intensive sex, she came... But I couldn't, I don't know why and she is a hella of a sexy and attractive bomb...

She stayed at my place until the next evening, we had sex again in the morning, this time I did my job.

When she was about to leave I asked her out again. She said maybe.

I got a call on the next morning from her telling me she can't see us in a long term relationship because I made a move on her and ****ed her! I mean WTF?

Anyway I guess it's a long story. She has ALOT of daddy issues but I have the feeling I fell for her...

I guess this is not for everyone, I don't want to do that again... For now

Oh and one of the reasons she mentioned is because I was too romantic and caring.

P.S
She is 27, I am 26...

Please share your thoughts on this... I don't know how I should feel...
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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You got laid when you didn't expect to. You became needy and desperate. From her perspective, you went from smooth player to desperate beta in about 24 hours.

Regardless of what she says, it's over. She will NEVER feel the same way you did when you busted a move and led her to the bedroom.

Translated into the male experience, it would be like dating some hottie, and waking up next to a 300 pound land whale.

You wouldn't say, "I can't see you again because I didn't know how fat you were," you'd make up a polite excuse, like she did.

Only solution is to date as many girls as you can. The solution to scarcity (which is what inspires neediness) is abundance. The path to abundance is to grab your balls and start getting numbers.

Just like an insurance salesman will knock on tons of doors and get plenty of rejection before he builds a fat book of steady income, so too must you.

So forget this girl and start collecting others.
 

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She has ALOT of daddy issuesg.

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There it is right there.

Just forget about her.

Sex means NOTHING to women like this and if you were to pursue her and she went along with it you only are setting yourself up for pain later on.

Just forget about her and move on.
 

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but I have the feeling I fell for her..
Oh and one of the reasons she mentioned is because I was too romantic and caring.
Feelings after a one overnight interaction? Scarcity mindset on your part, and don't wear your heart on your sleeve.
Girls with daddy issues pass out sex like candy. For her, it's just part of a routine date, nothing special… It wasn't even necessarily because she liked you.
Be glad she gave you the warning so early. Many men don't ever get one of those and get hurt much later.
 
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Oh and one of the reasons she mentioned is because I was too romantic and caring.
Yeah, did this once and only once. Also an online date. Picked her up, took her to my place, watched movie and slowly worked up my nerves. Eventually moved to the bedroom, had hot sex and went to sleep. After she left the next day she basically said I was too nice and told me we could be friends instead. I then replied that being friends was out of the question, period.

Half a week later she basically begged me for another chance. Fucked her a couple more times before figuring out she was a lying slut, so I rejected her instead.

I wasn't immideatly romantic and caring after that, I was skeptical instead until they proved to be worth my care.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Girls who are used to being treated badly don't really know what to do with the nice guy treatment. It's foreign to them. Their issues have taught them that they don't really want to be in a club that would have them as a member. The fact that you liked her made her feel like there was something wrong with you instead of with her. And of course, you gave too much too soon.

So who f***** up? Unfortunately it's on you because it's your job to navigate what kind of girl you are dealing with.

She said she doesn't see you in a long term relationship but that doesn't mean you won't ever get another bang out of it. But you would have to make hard work of it. See other girls.
 

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The reason you didn't orgasm the first time is probably due to anxiety. No big deal and common with a new girl.
You shouldn't have asked her out while she was still with you. She's picked up some needy vibes from you I'm guessing.
Maybe its a bit of anti slut defense on her part.
Lastly women are crazy and its mostly not your fault, so don't be too hard on yourself.
 

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One of the things I liked about my last girl was that she wasn't afraid to be spoiled. I would remind her "I'm not spoiling you, I'm spoiling me".

Girls who are offended by being treated right should be locked up.
 

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I don't know bro. Just don't expect a full blown relationship with a girl that slept with you 24 hours after meeting her, and that you met online.

I got a call on the next morning from her telling me she can't see us in a long term relationship because I made a move on her and ****ed her! I mean WTF?
I 100% agree with her. When you take a girl to the bedroom less than 24 hours after meeting her and she DOESNT SAY ANYTHING, you have to know something is up. This type of girl you don't ask out again and you don't bring home to mom, you sleep with her and move on.

Remember men, sex does NOT equal love, relationship, dating, or companionship. Don't expect any of those from a woman, especially one online.
 
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If you met her online, that means she has options beyond anything any of us could imagine.

She's getting hit on in her daily life (if she isn't an ugly), plus she probably has hundreds of emails a week from guys trying to lay her.

Or maybe she has a boyfriend and just wanted to cheat on him...

Don't get too caught up on one chick, man. Ever. Even when you're in a relationship. Make it known (even if you're lying) that you could walk at any second.

Make them chase you.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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If you met her online, that means she has options beyond anything any of us could imagine.
This really isn't true. She already chose him out of the pack, meaning he was on the cusp of the guys she likes. The fact she has 1000 guys she already doesn't like doesn't really count as more options. Same with gorgeous women. Once they like you, you really don't have to worry about their finding other guys they like better that fast. In fact, the more options she has when she chooses you, the more likely she will be to stay long term.

Consider:
  • If she knows 10 guys and likes you, you are a 1 in 10 guy.
  • If she knows 100 guys and likes you, you are a 1 in 100 guy.
  • If she knows 1000 guys and likes you, you are a 1 in 1000 guy.
Now, in order to replace you, the first girl needs to only meet 10 more guys, while the hottest girl needs to meet 1000 more guys.

Make it known (even if you're lying) that you could walk at any second. Make them chase you.
You do indeed need to make them chase you and it is done by trying to walk away.

A relationship is simply the tension a man feels when he tries to leave a given woman.

The moment she lets you walk, the relationship ends. But you never grovel and she never loses respect for you.
 
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This really isn't true. She already chose him out of the pack, meaning he was on the cusp of the guys she likes. The fact she has 1000 guys she already doesn't like doesn't really count as more options. Same with gorgeous women. Once they like you, you really don't have to worry about their finding other guys they like better that fast. In fact, the more options she has when she chooses you, the more likely she will be to stay long term.

Consider:
  • If she knows 10 guys and likes you, you are a 1 in 10 guy.
  • If she knows 100 guys and likes you, you are a 1 in 100 guy.
  • If she knows 1000 guys and likes you, you are a 1 in 1000 guy.
Now, in order to replace you, the first girl needs to only meet 10 more guys, while the hottest girl needs to meet 1000 more guys.



You do indeed need to make them chase you and it is done by trying to walk away.

A relationship is simply the tension a man feels when he tries to leave a given woman.

The moment she lets you walk, the relationship ends. But you never grovel and she never loses respect for you.
If only women were as logical as you, bud. It would make all of our lives much simpler.
 

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OP, you're not ready to play the game. After meeting a girl online, your only objective should be to fvck her and nothing else. You disinterested her by showing too much interest. Practice spinning plates, FWB situations etc and you'll soon realize that most women are made for fvcking only in most cases. Now go forth, heal and start filling as many holes as you can.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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You got laid when you didn't expect to. You became needy and desperate. From her perspective, you went from smooth player to desperate beta in about 24 hours.

Regardless of what she says, it's over. She will NEVER feel the same way you did when you busted a move and led her to the bedroom.
Thanks for the insight, I must admit its true. On the date I couldn't care less to be honest but when things got real (and I didn't expected), I ignored everything I was before we go home...
 

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Feelings after a one overnight interaction? Scarcity mindset on your part, and don't wear your heart on your sleeve.
Girls with daddy issues pass out sex like candy. For her, it's just part of a routine date, nothing special… It wasn't even necessarily because she liked you.
Be glad she gave you the warning so early. Many men don't ever get one of those and get hurt much later.
I never had one night stands before, and from our interaction I thought we have something...anyway stupid me haha.
I guess after all I should be grateful that things ended so rapidly.
 

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The reason you didn't orgasm the first time is probably due to anxiety. No big deal and common with a new girl.
You shouldn't have asked her out while she was still with you. She's picked up some needy vibes from you I'm guessing.
Maybe its a bit of anti slut defense on her part.
Lastly women are crazy and its mostly not your fault, so don't be too hard on yourself.
Yeah, I've put my guard down and she detected me...anyway, at least got laid!
 

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If you met her online, that means she has options beyond anything any of us could imagine.

She's getting hit on in her daily life (if she isn't an ugly), plus she probably has hundreds of emails a week from guys trying to lay her.

Or maybe she has a boyfriend and just wanted to cheat on him...

Don't get too caught up on one chick, man. Ever. Even when you're in a relationship. Make it known (even if you're lying) that you could walk at any second.

Make them chase you.
I think you know how right you are, but let me tell you again.
She didn't stopped talking about how rich the guys that chase her are, what cars they have, business...etc..
I basically told her to not bother with me and just go out with them (that was before the date), and she probably saw that I wont chase her and came straight to me. Oh and she drove 40 miles in one direction to see me.
I didn't moved a finger. No regrets.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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