"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Feelings after one night stand

KrisD

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Hey there,

Long story short...I met a girl online and we went out on a date.
The date was perfect and we ended up at my place cooking for her.

We had dinner, watched a movie and after the movie I grabbed her hand and took her directly to my bedroom, no explanation given whatsoever. She didn't resist.

We had really intensive sex, she came... But I couldn't, I don't know why and she is a hella of a sexy and attractive bomb...

She stayed at my place until the next evening, we had sex again in the morning, this time I did my job.

When she was about to leave I asked her out again. She said maybe.

I got a call on the next morning from her telling me she can't see us in a long term relationship because I made a move on her and ****ed her! I mean WTF?

Anyway I guess it's a long story. She has ALOT of daddy issues but I have the feeling I fell for her...

I guess this is not for everyone, I don't want to do that again... For now

Oh and one of the reasons she mentioned is because I was too romantic and caring.

P.S
She is 27, I am 26...

Please share your thoughts on this... I don't know how I should feel...
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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taiyuu_otoko

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You got laid when you didn't expect to. You became needy and desperate. From her perspective, you went from smooth player to desperate beta in about 24 hours.

Regardless of what she says, it's over. She will NEVER feel the same way you did when you busted a move and led her to the bedroom.

Translated into the male experience, it would be like dating some hottie, and waking up next to a 300 pound land whale.

You wouldn't say, "I can't see you again because I didn't know how fat you were," you'd make up a polite excuse, like she did.

Only solution is to date as many girls as you can. The solution to scarcity (which is what inspires neediness) is abundance. The path to abundance is to grab your balls and start getting numbers.

Just like an insurance salesman will knock on tons of doors and get plenty of rejection before he builds a fat book of steady income, so too must you.

So forget this girl and start collecting others.
 

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She has ALOT of daddy issuesg.

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There it is right there.

Just forget about her.

Sex means NOTHING to women like this and if you were to pursue her and she went along with it you only are setting yourself up for pain later on.

Just forget about her and move on.
 

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but I have the feeling I fell for her..
Oh and one of the reasons she mentioned is because I was too romantic and caring.
Feelings after a one overnight interaction? Scarcity mindset on your part, and don't wear your heart on your sleeve.
Girls with daddy issues pass out sex like candy. For her, it's just part of a routine date, nothing special… It wasn't even necessarily because she liked you.
Be glad she gave you the warning so early. Many men don't ever get one of those and get hurt much later.
 
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Oh and one of the reasons she mentioned is because I was too romantic and caring.
Yeah, did this once and only once. Also an online date. Picked her up, took her to my place, watched movie and slowly worked up my nerves. Eventually moved to the bedroom, had hot sex and went to sleep. After she left the next day she basically said I was too nice and told me we could be friends instead. I then replied that being friends was out of the question, period.

Half a week later she basically begged me for another chance. Fucked her a couple more times before figuring out she was a lying slut, so I rejected her instead.

I wasn't immideatly romantic and caring after that, I was skeptical instead until they proved to be worth my care.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Girls who are used to being treated badly don't really know what to do with the nice guy treatment. It's foreign to them. Their issues have taught them that they don't really want to be in a club that would have them as a member. The fact that you liked her made her feel like there was something wrong with you instead of with her. And of course, you gave too much too soon.

So who f***** up? Unfortunately it's on you because it's your job to navigate what kind of girl you are dealing with.

She said she doesn't see you in a long term relationship but that doesn't mean you won't ever get another bang out of it. But you would have to make hard work of it. See other girls.
 

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The reason you didn't orgasm the first time is probably due to anxiety. No big deal and common with a new girl.
You shouldn't have asked her out while she was still with you. She's picked up some needy vibes from you I'm guessing.
Maybe its a bit of anti slut defense on her part.
Lastly women are crazy and its mostly not your fault, so don't be too hard on yourself.
 

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One of the things I liked about my last girl was that she wasn't afraid to be spoiled. I would remind her "I'm not spoiling you, I'm spoiling me".

Girls who are offended by being treated right should be locked up.
 

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I don't know bro. Just don't expect a full blown relationship with a girl that slept with you 24 hours after meeting her, and that you met online.

I got a call on the next morning from her telling me she can't see us in a long term relationship because I made a move on her and ****ed her! I mean WTF?
I 100% agree with her. When you take a girl to the bedroom less than 24 hours after meeting her and she DOESNT SAY ANYTHING, you have to know something is up. This type of girl you don't ask out again and you don't bring home to mom, you sleep with her and move on.

Remember men, sex does NOT equal love, relationship, dating, or companionship. Don't expect any of those from a woman, especially one online.
 
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If you met her online, that means she has options beyond anything any of us could imagine.

She's getting hit on in her daily life (if she isn't an ugly), plus she probably has hundreds of emails a week from guys trying to lay her.

Or maybe she has a boyfriend and just wanted to cheat on him...

Don't get too caught up on one chick, man. Ever. Even when you're in a relationship. Make it known (even if you're lying) that you could walk at any second.

Make them chase you.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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If you met her online, that means she has options beyond anything any of us could imagine.
This really isn't true. She already chose him out of the pack, meaning he was on the cusp of the guys she likes. The fact she has 1000 guys she already doesn't like doesn't really count as more options. Same with gorgeous women. Once they like you, you really don't have to worry about their finding other guys they like better that fast. In fact, the more options she has when she chooses you, the more likely she will be to stay long term.

Consider:
  • If she knows 10 guys and likes you, you are a 1 in 10 guy.
  • If she knows 100 guys and likes you, you are a 1 in 100 guy.
  • If she knows 1000 guys and likes you, you are a 1 in 1000 guy.
Now, in order to replace you, the first girl needs to only meet 10 more guys, while the hottest girl needs to meet 1000 more guys.

Make it known (even if you're lying) that you could walk at any second. Make them chase you.
You do indeed need to make them chase you and it is done by trying to walk away.

A relationship is simply the tension a man feels when he tries to leave a given woman.

The moment she lets you walk, the relationship ends. But you never grovel and she never loses respect for you.
 
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This really isn't true. She already chose him out of the pack, meaning he was on the cusp of the guys she likes. The fact she has 1000 guys she already doesn't like doesn't really count as more options. Same with gorgeous women. Once they like you, you really don't have to worry about their finding other guys they like better that fast. In fact, the more options she has when she chooses you, the more likely she will be to stay long term.

Consider:
  • If she knows 10 guys and likes you, you are a 1 in 10 guy.
  • If she knows 100 guys and likes you, you are a 1 in 100 guy.
  • If she knows 1000 guys and likes you, you are a 1 in 1000 guy.
Now, in order to replace you, the first girl needs to only meet 10 more guys, while the hottest girl needs to meet 1000 more guys.



You do indeed need to make them chase you and it is done by trying to walk away.

A relationship is simply the tension a man feels when he tries to leave a given woman.

The moment she lets you walk, the relationship ends. But you never grovel and she never loses respect for you.
If only women were as logical as you, bud. It would make all of our lives much simpler.
 

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OP, you're not ready to play the game. After meeting a girl online, your only objective should be to fvck her and nothing else. You disinterested her by showing too much interest. Practice spinning plates, FWB situations etc and you'll soon realize that most women are made for fvcking only in most cases. Now go forth, heal and start filling as many holes as you can.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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You got laid when you didn't expect to. You became needy and desperate. From her perspective, you went from smooth player to desperate beta in about 24 hours.

Regardless of what she says, it's over. She will NEVER feel the same way you did when you busted a move and led her to the bedroom.
Thanks for the insight, I must admit its true. On the date I couldn't care less to be honest but when things got real (and I didn't expected), I ignored everything I was before we go home...
 

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Feelings after a one overnight interaction? Scarcity mindset on your part, and don't wear your heart on your sleeve.
Girls with daddy issues pass out sex like candy. For her, it's just part of a routine date, nothing special… It wasn't even necessarily because she liked you.
Be glad she gave you the warning so early. Many men don't ever get one of those and get hurt much later.
I never had one night stands before, and from our interaction I thought we have something...anyway stupid me haha.
I guess after all I should be grateful that things ended so rapidly.
 

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The reason you didn't orgasm the first time is probably due to anxiety. No big deal and common with a new girl.
You shouldn't have asked her out while she was still with you. She's picked up some needy vibes from you I'm guessing.
Maybe its a bit of anti slut defense on her part.
Lastly women are crazy and its mostly not your fault, so don't be too hard on yourself.
Yeah, I've put my guard down and she detected me...anyway, at least got laid!
 

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If you met her online, that means she has options beyond anything any of us could imagine.

She's getting hit on in her daily life (if she isn't an ugly), plus she probably has hundreds of emails a week from guys trying to lay her.

Or maybe she has a boyfriend and just wanted to cheat on him...

Don't get too caught up on one chick, man. Ever. Even when you're in a relationship. Make it known (even if you're lying) that you could walk at any second.

Make them chase you.
I think you know how right you are, but let me tell you again.
She didn't stopped talking about how rich the guys that chase her are, what cars they have, business...etc..
I basically told her to not bother with me and just go out with them (that was before the date), and she probably saw that I wont chase her and came straight to me. Oh and she drove 40 miles in one direction to see me.
I didn't moved a finger. No regrets.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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