She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
LoL reading through your post I had an 'attention wh0re alert' pop up in my mind and that last sentence right there pretty much confirms my suspicions. She's using you for attention/validation/ego boost. Your only chance with her is to ignore her and make her jealous by using other girls.Juicyjays said:She has a lot of guy friends as well, thought I'd put that in there too.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Are you a virgin?Juicyjays said:Hello,
I'm a 22 year old apprentice cook who is trying to get out of the AFC slump. Been reading articles on this forum for awhile now, so I thought I'd finally grow some balls and finally try to land me a girl (I've never had a girlfriend).
Translation = Give me a call, tiger!Juicyjays said:One night she came up behind me, sort of bit my shoulder (made a purring noise), gave me her card and walked away.
Translation = come and play with me.Juicyjays said:That night, she calls me unexpectedly out of the blue telling me she forgot to thank me for giving her a joint (which she actually thanked me for at work) and she asked if I wanted to come over to her place.
What the hell do you talk about for 5 hours? What took her so long to realize you were not gonna make a move?Juicyjays said:I agreed. I went over and she sat pretty far away from me which was strange (my own fault, I should of sat beside her).. we talked non stop for 5 hours, then I went home. I think I was a bit of a wuss there and should of at least attempted to sit right beside her to test her comfort zone.
MEMO #2: YOU REJECTED HER FOR THE SECOND TIME!!!Juicyjays said:I say I'm over at my friends, helping him out, and that I'm gonna go home in a bit. She texts me again and says "you should come.. its fun," but by then I was way too exhausted, so I had to tell her I couldn't, was just way too beat. She messages me back saying "You let me down..lol".
If you have something set, you don't ask if she wants to chill. You tell her, "Hey, what time will you be ready?", after she said she was shopping, you ask, "What time will you be home?". Always lead. She even proceeded to hint at you to be persistent and tell her you want to see her.Juicyjays said:We were supposed to hang out the day after, so I call her (2nd time I've ever called her, I let her call me instead) and ask her if she wants to chill. She says she's christmas shopping and that 'maybe if i went out, i'd be hanging out with her right there'. Dunno if she was joking or not.
Noooooooooooo! Very very bad. That came across as very weak and supplicating. Had you done it before, on the spot, without sounding apologetic, it might have not been as bad, but once you are doing it because you think she's being cold to you, you are only asking for trouble. You are acting very predictably, like her many trained doggies.Juicyjays said:Next day at work, she gives me the cold shoulder for a bit, and we were sitting downstairs and I told her "You know, I really wanted to go and hang out with you, but I had to get some rest. I hope you understand."
You gave her no choice but to stat playing games with you.Juicyjays said:Then I say "You wanted me there, didn't you?" She smiles and says she'll give me another chance. Mind you this girl is extremely hard to read. She is always smiling, even when she's stressed out (she's told me this).
Translation: I am acting like the guy, chasing you, and you are not being masculine and assertive, but difficlut, passive and clueless. Role reversal.Juicyjays said:She drives me home and says something to me.
"You know, you are just like me, exactly like me, except you have a penis." I had no idea what the hell to say.
This is the area where you had no business allowing this situation to get to. A more experienced DJ could still salvage this one, but you don't seem to pick up on the most obvious signs she was consistently throwing at you earlier.Juicyjays said:She asks me if I wanna go for coffee tommorow, I say sure, no problem. She then calls me the day of telling me that she dosen't feel like it now since she's so tired (oddly enough), she'd rather go home and hang out by herself with her girlfriend.
Talk about a major demotion there. Going from being with her alone at her house one night, to coffee at 2pm. That's like going from the major leagues to playing high school baseball. There is nothing sexy about coffee after being in her house with her practically throwing herself at you.Juicyjays said:I tell her she's missing out and she says laughing "Karma's a biotch isn't it??," she tells me she can hang out with me on Wendesday at 2pm, I say "Are you for sure this time?" She says yes.
If she blows you off, you make one last effort and demand she make it up to you. And suggest getting together at her house. If you make it there again, you make a move and give her what she wants.Juicyjays said:If she blows me off again, I'll take it as a rejection and move on.
SHE IS PISSED YOU DIDN'T MAKE A MOVE ON HER. Women don't like rejection any more than we do. They dislike even more when they put it out there and the guy doesn't even see the obvious.Juicyjays said:I'm sorry for the lengthy post, but am I doing something wrong here? Is she pissed I blew her off that night?
She knows you are interested in her, but she also knows you don't know what the score is. Don't tell her you like her. That won't change her mind. At this point, it is all about doing. If you can get her alone again, you give it to her. Whatever you do, don't tell her you like her.Juicyjays said:She must know I am interested in her, or do I have to have the balls and come out and tell her I like her? I just started to get to know her and I am pretty shy when it comes to making a move, it's hard for me to tell when is the right time.
Off course she does. She's social and knows a lot of men. She's a bartender. She's hot and popular. A lot of those men are just friends that also were wusses and/or didn't know how to pick up on her signals. She puts most men through alot of rituals before letting them see her naked. She gave you a small window of opportunity to get freeky, you let it pass.Juicyjays said:She has a lot of guy friends as well, thought I'd put that in there too.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Don't be telling him to disregard everyone else's opinion. Everyone has a different opinion and no one has the "right" answer. It's up to the OP to decide who's advice is useful and who's isn't.katatonia said:Do not listen to anyone else in this thread. Read this:
I'M 99.99% SURE THIS GIRL IS PLAYING YOU FOR ATTENTION. IF YOU WANT TO HIT THAT, YOU HAVE TO IGNORE HER AND PLAY JEALOUSY GAMES.
If you HAD tried to make a move she would've pushed you away and said something along the lines of "I thought we were just friends" then proceeded to string you along with mixed signals for an ego boost.
That is all.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
katatonia said:Do not listen to anyone else in this thread. Read this:
I'M 99.99% SURE THIS GIRL IS PLAYING YOU FOR ATTENTION. IF YOU WANT TO HIT THAT, YOU HAVE TO IGNORE HER AND PLAY JEALOUSY GAMES.
If you HAD tried to make a move she would've pushed you away and said something along the lines of "I thought we were just friends" then proceeded to string you along with mixed signals for an ego boost.
That is all.