"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Experiment: asking female friends for advice

gonzo

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I thought it would be an interesting experiment to ask some of my female friends for their opinion on an opening that I would consider using in an approach. In my experience one should never ask women for advice on these matters.

Opening: "Hi, I noticed you [etc] and I wanted to meet you."
Good points (IMO): Simple, direct, confident.
Bad points not immediately obvious to me.

My female friends' reactions to this line were almost without fail negative. Comments I got were that it was too forced, not natural, too direct and creepy even. One of my friends said she liked it and thought it was quite manly. The others looked at her as if she'd just admitted to fantasising about 12 year old boys.

The moral of this experiment is that you should never ask women for advice. I think that this line could potentially work on any of them. In hypothetical situations women expect to be swept off their feet when the simple truth is that it is just an opening. Not the be all and end all. What the fcuk do they expect?

But that's my view, what do you guys think? Have you ever had bad experiences getting advice from women?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Cheiradawg

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In general asking women for advice on women is not a good idea.

First off alot of women aren't even sure what "works" on them, so how is one woman or a group of women going to be able to speak for women as a whole. Second if they did know, there still is alot of social programming women speak through when talking about men. i.e. When one of the girls you talked with admited to liking "manly" men, she was visably scolded by her peers.

Finally, just cut the crap. Don't talk to women about other women. If you want to talk about women find a man who has success with them. He will speak in terms you will understand.


If you have a sister of dating age, she might be another option.

Also I think that your line you have there is great. I use it alot.
 

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what kinda of word would you use in the "etc" part... are beautiful?? sounds to quick to me, in short it would be "your hot so i wanna meet you" i dont know.. if it works for you use it then.
 

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No I don't think it's a good idea to say she's beautiful. You're handing over too much power. The most you should do is pick up on an item of clothing or if absolutely necessary a feature and say you like it.

The [etc] should be filled by some particulars of the situation you're in. So if you noticed her when she walked in say exactly that: "I noticed you when you walked in...".
 

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Originally posted by gonzo
The moral of this experiment is that you should never ask women for advice. I think that this line could potentially work on any of them. In hypothetical situations women expect to be swept off their feet when the simple truth is that it is just an opening. Not the be all and end all. What the fcuk do they expect?

But that's my view, what do you guys think? Have you ever had bad experiences getting advice from women?
Or the moral may be that the line is just not very good. Remember to keep an open mind at all times.

I started to shut my mind off to female advice when I started getting into DeAngelo and SoSuave, but I'm now finding that most advice I get from females is actually very good. And I'd always take a woman's advice over a man's in terms of physical appeal, grooming and fashion.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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DJDamage

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Its not what you say but how you say it.

Its not the delivery that counts but the actual person that says it.

If a woman is attracted to a man physically, he can say whatever he wants and he would still be in better position then a man who says things confidently and right but she is repulsed by him.

Never listen to a woman advice on dating. They will tell you what they think works on them and because every woman has a different prefrence, you will get a bad advice.

Women also tend to give you a politically correct answers so you won't know the brutal truth, in order to protect themselves and their gender. Think about the last time a new chick asked you what is the first thing you noticed about her and you said her eyes (in reality it was her Double D's breasts but you know better then hitting her hard with the truth - Its the same deal with women)
 

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You guys are right for the most part but there are always exceptions. For example if you go to: http://www.askheartbeat.com , this woman gives relationship advice to guys and girls and for the most part she tells it like it is. The responses she gives to these AFC guys who ask for advice is for the most part very similar to the stuff that I read on this site..
 
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