"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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everything could be quite possibly good.

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For the past year or so I've dated easy 75-100 different girls. Meeting them from all different places.

You name it, target, starbucks, walking on the street, myspace, i've done it all.

I genuinely haven't been really interested in any but maybe a couple of them. So I think I wasted the entire summer with this one girl, it took me so long to figure out that we would never be anything more than friends who ****, and I was so blind to see it. We had basically nothing in common, not much to talk about, but we got along great and had some good times. All long she had a boyfriend.

So I made the move to remove myself from the situation and totally next this girl, and resume the prowl.

I met this somewhat cute girl at starbucks, we hit it off pretty well. Had a fun time, had a couple of dates, and she totally fell for me right away. This was a really desperate girl, and I was way turned off by it. So basically I just toyed with her and went on dates with her without even wanting anything more than to have sex with her. She wanted me to be the boyfriend or whatever. So, that didn't work. And from day two, it hit me that this girl was not someone I wanted, she was an annoying desperate ***** that would call and text me non stop. So that didn't work.

So then I happen to be messing around on myspace. Start talking to this girl who seemed kinda edgy and artsy. It was pretty weird, we really shared a ton of common interests, everything you name it.

So this girl has some terrible pictures on myspace, one of her dressed up in goth, some of her with bad makeup jobs on, and I'm like hmmm. I'll take this girl out and see whats happening, what have I got to lose?

So, we talked for a couple weeks online, then I called her and asked her out. She ended up taking me to a concert. I didn't know what to expact, so I pick her up, and out steps the cutest, most fun girl I have been around in the longest time.

She was dressed in a gap skirt, black boots, and a gap top. Totally classy, not skanky ever.

So, i'm totally blown away. I asked her, so I seriously thought you were some goth type girl. She's like oh, those are some pictures from haloween. I can't pull off goth if i tried.

Diamond in the rough? I'd say so.

So we got to talking, we are so similar its frightening. Neither of us has been in a serious mutual loving relationship. I'm 23, and its sad but I never have. I've gotten play from alot of girls, and dated lots of girls, just for the sake of dating them, but never had anything more.

So date two comes up, I call her up, we go to a few bars and stuff, i bring some friends in tow. Great atmosphere. Terrible bars, we ended up drinking at my buddys house until 4 in the morning, and had an excellent time.

So the next day I had planned to take her to dinner and a movie. She gives me a call, shes like hey I've got this school portfolio that I have to do, so would you mind if we did the dinner/movie thing another night. I'm like no problem at all, and told her to have a great rest of the day.

Ten minutes later she calls me back, and says, hey would you like to come over to my apartment a little later tonight? I'll be here doing some work but I'd be glad to put on some coffee and chill with you for a while.

Everything could be quite possibly good....
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Good stuff dude, just make sure you turn into a needy, suplicating guy along the way....yes she may be special to you but you gotta keep your game together:p gook luck!
 

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First, most girls on myspace are attention hos. It's almost like a slvt network - which for guys just looking to use and abuse is good.

Next, to even try the goth stuff out or think about pulling it off as if it were kewl or something. This isn't a good sign, shows promiscuity.

Her going out with you and some friends without knowing you that well. I'm guessing it was just you, she and your guy friends? Hmmm .. one girl out with several guys and one she doesn't know that well yet and the rest even less.

Now inviting you over. I'd really get to know her a bit before you dive in deep and get more attached to her. Make sure she is doesn't have alot of guy friends and isn't an AW.
 

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we had gone out a couple times before i invited any guy friends.

we didn't do anything, i barely got a kiss on the cheek.

yeah shes not a tramp, i can smell em a mile away.

Thanks guys...

Originally posted by tmpgstx
First, most girls on myspace are attention hos. It's almost like a slvt network - which for guys just looking to use and abuse is good.

Next, to even try the goth stuff out or think about pulling it off as if it were kewl or something. This isn't a good sign, shows promiscuity.

Her going out with you and some friends without knowing you that well. I'm guessing it was just you, she and your guy friends? Hmmm .. one girl out with several guys and one she doesn't know that well yet and the rest even less.

Now inviting you over. I'd really get to know her a bit before you dive in deep and get more attached to her. Make sure she is doesn't have alot of guy friends and isn't an AW.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Originally posted by JH6
For the past year or so I've dated easy 75-100 different girls. Meeting them from all different places.

You name it, target, starbucks, walking on the street, myspace, i've done it all.
There's a problem here. In the past year you've found 75-100 girls that are good enough to date you?? And during this time you haven't been able to secure a relationship with a smoking hot one??

There are many flaws I see here. Either you are grabbing broads from the bottom of the barrel and your standards aren't high enough... OR you aren't able to keep women attracted to you for long enough and you are forced to date billions of women..

Quality over quantity will always win out.
 
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