"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Every guy has a BC and an AD

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It occurred to me yesterday that every man, in his relationships with women, has a BC period and an AD period.

During BC, you want every hot chick. Attractiveness is the only thing that matters.

Than you run into that one chick that just blows you away. And you get into a long term relationship. Soon, your girlfriend turns into a different person. Or maybe you already knew she had problems, but figured "They'll go away once we're in a secure relationship." Before long, this woman causes you to lose the will to live. It ends.

This is when the mature man enters into his AD phase. No longer is "being hot" enough. Now the guy has RULES: the girl has to be sane, must have a good relationship with her father, be financially secure, live less than 45 minutes away but more than 15 minutes, etc... A guy like this sees a chick and says to himself, "Well, she's cute. That's 1 down, 19 to go." When ladies want to reel in one of these guys (heh heh) , they aren't competing with each other. They're competing with the LIST.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I'm surprised at how accurately this describes where i'm at at the moment.

I've gone through the "one that blows me away, changes etc. and then ends" stage...

And yes, it's true, looks are just one criterea to me these days. One of many. And yes, it is about 'the list'.

Haha I just can't believe how accurately that thing describes where i'm at, and what i've been through. Right down to her causing me to lose the will to live :p

Whether this has any credible background or not, I must give you credit for being so accurate to me it's scary
 

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Originally posted by ApocalypseCow2
It occurred to me yesterday that every man, in his relationships with women, has a BC period and an AD period.

During BC, you want every hot chick. Attractiveness is the only thing that matters.

Than you run into that one chick that just blows you away. And you get into a long term relationship. Soon, your girlfriend turns into a different person. Or maybe you already knew she had problems, but figured "They'll go away once we're in a secure relationship." Before long, this woman causes you to lose the will to live. It ends.

This is when the mature man enters into his AD phase. No longer is "being hot" enough. Now the guy has RULES: the girl has to be sane, must have a good relationship with her father, be financially secure, live less than 45 minutes away but more than 15 minutes, etc... A guy like this sees a chick and says to himself, "Well, she's cute. That's 1 down, 19 to go." When ladies want to reel in one of these guys (heh heh) , they aren't competing with each other. They're competing with the LIST.
I like it!

There might even be a law that a guy can't enter the AD stage until he does get to date that super hot chick.
 

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Blimey, you hit the nail on the head and described me to a T. I understand exactly what you are saying.

Situation I got now. Got nice attractive girls interested in me, but I can't be bothered with them, there has to be something more than JUST looks alone.

Ironically, it is this not caring about them or the infrequent attention I pay them that drives them to want to get together more than ever before (it is almost annoying and I still think they ****block the few women that do interest me!). You do the flirty bit, have a laugh with them and play around but I don't know, I just don't give a crap if it doesn't go any further. I got things to do, learning a new language, dancing - jive and salsa (great for seducing women), studies for a new career and martial arts.

Thing is. I been through enough emotional turmoil coming out my ten year relationship (two years married) and if the girls don't play by my rules they remain in my friendzone no matter how damn hot they are. That's it. End of story for them. I been like this for two and half years. Just cannot be bothered with hot girls that know they are gorgeous and expect you to fall at their knees, not all hot women are like this obviously but a number are.

Saying that, I have kinda fallen for one woman who is a no go area, hasn't dated for six years, got a young son, been very badly abused by men, super defensive with guys to the point of unbelievability, never been married, never been in love, stops herself falling for guys and she is the only one that has flauted my rules and it bugs the hell out of me! Somehow she makes me care about her, and it was because I was the first guy she has dated and I had a good time, grrrr......(headbutts the keyboard several times).

Apart from that one chink in my armour I can relate to everything you are saying mate.

Life is about having fun and spending time with people who want to be with you and you with them. Same goes for women.

Hold on a sec. Just thought of another chink in my armour, blonde lass, somehow bounces my rules a bit as well. Maybe I am not so rule driven as I first thought?!?! ok, two chinks in my armour...mmm...maybe I am not so mentally and emotionally tough as I thought. Bugger!

Tell me something though. And it would be nice to have answers from others as well.

I have found myself competing against women's list as well. So many of them have a frighteningly detailed list of their own. With my list it is a short basic list as you describe - sane woman, sexy, chatty, exciting to be with, has a caring side, etc and I do try and be open minded. However, the list these women have seem to be absolutely massive. At the top it always seems to be "trust" because every woman I have met has been betrayed in a serious relationship or is it just me who encounters this EVERY time?
 
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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hey buddy....excellent post....I am so excited that you are gettin such a great understanding...
 
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