"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Ever use ugly girls for their hot friends?

Three3Kingz

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This is not something ive tried before, but the idea has come across my mind lately. Im sure we have all found it pretty easy to get average girls numbers. Have any of you used these girls to find parties and such where there will be better looking girls?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Poonani Maker

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GlennCoCo said:
I've done it before, but I hate using people to gain my advantage.
I have no quams Using ugly people to gain my advantage. Survival of the fittest.
 

TheBucketOfTruth

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GlennCoCo said:
I've done it before, but I hate using people to gain my advantage.
If you enjoy their company but aren't sexually attracted to them then they count as friends, so there's nothing wrong with networking.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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FunnyMan

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No shame in that, so long as you are nice to the ugly girl.

However, the ugly girl will usually fall for you if you give her attention
 

dan-o

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Poonani Maker said:
I have no quams Using ugly people to gain my advantage. Survival of the fittest.
Not a fan of this type of attitude. In my experience, people like this actually don't have any close people they can rely on. I've met people like this before, and eventually you realise that they will use you for their advantage, at your cost, should the situation arise.

On topic, I wouldn't do it as it comes across. "Using" people isn't something that comes comfortably to me. Ideally I try and work for 'win-win' situations.
 

Hughman

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Unless you hunt well and find a lone girl, or a pair where both are hot, you're going to have to make friends with the ugly/fat friend(s) that are going to orbit the hot girls, especially if you don't have a reliable wingman. Tbh though I have no female friends I would call 'ugly' anymore. I did once, and she got the hots for me. Not worth the effort and the embarrassment of it keeping subpar girls around.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Trader

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I don't go into it with that mindset

Just think of it as you having fun with that ugly/average looking girl - though you're never going to consider *dating* her - and then sooner or later you will naturally meet their hot friends, IF they have any
 
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