"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Escaping The Friend Zone

Ectomorph

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i have a friedn that i have the hots for and i play with her sometimes and make her laugh but like idk where to go from there, how do i apply this stuff, like do i randomly start talking about sex? and i have no idea if she's attracted to me ><
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Hi guys I'm new to the site so bear with me. Been friends with a girl now for 8yrs and recently she has just finished a LTR she keeps texting me when we are both out asking me to come and meet her and her friends.......A friend of mine thinking he was doing me a favour suggested to her that her and I should have a go together....however she replied we were bff(best friends forever!). She is always very flirty with me when we are together touching me and feeling my arms etc which is giving me the mixed signals.
Ive been trying to keep detached frm her but everytime I get drunk I think it is a good idea to ring her! Against my better judgement instead of keeping detached and thinking clearly I ended up texting her asking her out for drinks she was keen but then the day arrived and she text me saying she had forgot about it and could we take a rain check on it.....after getting pretty wasted last night and ending up at a girls place I rang her again to try and get her to pick me up (stupid I know!). She text me today saying sorry her phone was on silent last nite and wot did i ring for.....After talking to a girl friend who told me I should express my feelings I ended up trying to ring her 2day still very drunk i might add to tell her the whole deal....again stupid I know.....Any help u can give me guys would be awesome as I don't have a clue where I am with this girl or even how to play it!
 

dj_phobia

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Great Post. If I may add my 2 cents:

I believe another great tool is Time-off (especially when you have known the girl for a long time). I.e. Cut all contact with the girl for a period of time (this should depend on how long you have known her...but the Max I would suggest is 4-6 months (if you have known the girl for ages).

Time is a great tool when used smartly. This "time off" would mean that you would leave the girl without the usual friendly banter/chat you shared and would wipe the slate clean. I.e. when you do get in touch with her again you can have a fresh start in a sense, and using the great tools in the post have a better chance at succeding at your game.

Another advantage of this time-off could be that the girl's situation might change, i.e. someone else could fill the "Friend's" place that you once held and she may not be with her BF anymore (if she had one in the first place).

Imp: You should try and come up with a good excuse about why you would be unavailable for a period of time...if its not possible to cut all contact, keepp contact to a bare minimum.
 

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dude..read the post...rule #1 never express ur feelings............solid solid post prob one of the best in this forum i ever seen.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Hot Ice Casanova

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THIS GOES IN THE BIBLE! Excellent post beyond compare!

I wish I'd known this sh!t every time I got friendzoned (which was a LOT).

The thing is I don't get friendzoned much anymore, but if it ever happens I'm prepared to use it!
 
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