"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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My BPD ex has been hoovering too. But I just dont care
I've banged 4 other chicks since January when we broke up, I can barely remember her and what I do remember is without emotion.

Plate spinning and rebounding is the only way to get over a BPD.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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My BPD ex has been hoovering too. But I just dont care
I've banged 4 other chicks since January when we broke up, I can barely remember her and what I do remember is without emotion.

Plate spinning and rebounding is the only way to get over a BPD.
Somehow i doubt that's true.

I'm over my BPD ex but i don't play with bravado when it comes to her. She taught me a lot about life.
 

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I started reading "Using the BPD Excuse - a Novel" but I stopped at this point "she is on lexapro and Xanax so she is in fact." - wait, you see the meds as proof she needs meds? You think this makes her better? The meds are the problem in and of itself, not the solution. Those have side effects like suicidal thoughts and behavior.

The Moral: Don't go out with crazy people on crazy people meds.
 

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I have multiple women at points I talk to 6...the npd is a dime and the bpd is a good 8.5..the others are like 7 at most so why not learn and fight thru things to manage the better looking ones...i get what I want and will do what it takes...im wondering because I have never been sexually involved and dated a bpd/npd...they always leave the unsureness it's human nature but as of right now I had a girl sleep over and she's in her house right now getting clothes to spend the next 3 days with me so I'm not some chump who sits at home eith no back up
She's a perfect 10? Are you texting this from an Obamaphone? Have you heard about punctuation?
 

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Somehow i doubt that's true.

I'm over my BPD ex but i don't play with bravado when it comes to her. She taught me a lot about life.
Oh I dont break NC thats playing with fire, but it's true I rarely think of her maybe once or twice a day for a few seconds, I've made a lot new memories with a ton of other women, they have taken the spot in my brain from the BPD girl.
She was definately a cluster B.
Daddy issues, drama queen, attention *****, lovebombing, discarding, silent treatments, abortion, addiction issues, cheating, amazing sex etc.
Totally over her in record time.
Banging other chicks and making new memories is the cure for BPD trauma, not a therapist or posting threads on forums like this.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Well just cuz I got 10 cars doesn't mean I don't like one more than the other. One car could be a Ferrari and another could be a jalopy; it's all dependent on what/who you value more.
That's true but if you had 10 cars you wouldn't worry about it because you'd have plenty of money to just go buy another one...

That's the whole point.
 

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Oh I dont break NC thats playing with fire, but it's true I rarely think of her maybe once or twice a day for a few seconds, I've made a lot new memories with a ton of other women, they have taken the spot in my brain from the BPD girl.
She was definately a cluster B.
Daddy issues, drama queen, attention *****, lovebombing, discarding, silent treatments, abortion, addiction issues, cheating, amazing sex etc.
Totally over her in record time.
Banging other chicks and making new memories is the cure for BPD trauma, not a therapist or posting threads on forums like this.
In my experience the trauma that comes from a BPD relationship is usually less to do with them and more to do with you.

Some guys have baggage they need to sort out. Some guys don't, but id say more than 50% do.

Its impirtant to figure that out after the relationship and fix it if needed.

If it's not addressed i generally see two outcomes

A) they kid themselves they are over it but eventually fall for the same trap again

Or

B) they displace their emotion and go mgtiw, alt right, join the roosh forums etc etc.

I appreciate that you were maybe the kind of guy who just had a knowledge gap and got unlucky, but its dangerous to perscribe spinning plates to every guy fresh out of one of these, i know i needed help after it because i had a LOT of issues i didnt know about and was actually walking the fine line of being a cluster B myself
 

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BPD women simply get some men to fall harder and they get their hearts broken, and then these men blame the women.

If she was crazy and you chose her, whose fault is that?

My girlfriend claims she has BPD but isn't on meds and I've never seen her as even high maintenance nevermind BPD. I don't think sweethearts can be BPD. BPD women are usually nasty. This girl always has a sweet disposition, has empathy, a sense of honor (feels she owes people who helped her in the past), and is thoughtful. In other words, she has a personality, and a good one. BPD women have no personality and mimic others before lapsing back into a depressed void.
 

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BPD women simply get some men to fall harder and they get their hearts broken, and then these men blame the women.

If she was crazy and you chose her, whose fault is that?

My girlfriend claims she has BPD but isn't on meds and I've never seen her as even high maintenance nevermind BPD. I don't think sweethearts can be BPD. BPD women are usually nasty. This girl always has a sweet disposition, has empathy, a sense of honor (feels she owes people who helped her in the past), and is thoughtful. In other words, she has a personality, and a good one. BPD women have no personality and mimic others before lapsing back into a depressed void.
I agree.

There is 0 point in blaming the bpd for the situation. Ive been through it, it was my fault.

My bpd was pretty severe, but she did have certain good qualities. She just couldnt hold herself together and when she did the splitting there was nothing you could do.

That said me being a massive Beta male at the time didnt help matters either.

But she is what she is, i dont envy what she has to live with.

I am greatful for the experience, she was a catylist fir a lot of positive change for me, wouldnt be the man i am now if i hadnt met her. I have no ill will.
 

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This isn't really relevant to this site, it belongs on psychforums.
It is relevant as its a common issue men who are dating a lot of women will very likely run into.

You arent the boss of what we discuss on this site.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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It is relevant as its a common issue men who are dating a lot of women will very likely run into.

You arent the boss of what we discuss on this site.
Absolutely agreed 100%

OP knew going in she was on these meds too.
These flags weren't red they were actually on fire.

Yes, it's in the Bible don't mess with woman on anti depressants but I think this topic isn't brought up enough for younger guys to learn about. Way to many guys dismissing this and think oh she's on meds everything is okay. Ha!

Guys you have to screen for this shvt. And yeah you can't blame these chicks for being crazy you knew well in advance what you were dealing with. Atleast this chick told him up front.

I had 1 in past I didn't find out, until 3/4mos in.
Yeah she was on lexapro, RUN for the hills!
 
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He is just in denial. He will learn.. or end up on meds/hospitalized. One of the two.
Very true. If you are with her long enough, you do not even realize that you are slowly losing your own sanity and rationality during the process until something catastrophic happens to you personally that shakes you out of the mental fog that your interaction with her put you into.
At that point though, you have received some very real emotional and/or mental damage to deal with and heal from.…
 
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Yeah but look how long his OP is. A true narc wouldn't care enough about his relationship to write that much.. but a codependent sure would. He is just in denial. He will learn.. or end up on meds/hospitalized. One of the two.
I used to be codependent, took me a year of being aware of it to get rid of it.

OP needs to admit to himself where hes ****ed up, thats the first part. Op start being brutally honest with yourself.
 

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I used to be codependent, took me a year of being aware of it to get rid of it.

OP needs to admit to himself where hes ****ed up, thats the first part. Op start being brutally honest with yourself.
How did you get rid of it books etc? From what I've read seems to be a tough life long struggle just like any other addictive behavior such as drinking etc.
 

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How did you get rid of it books etc? From what I've read seems to be a tough life long struggle just like any other addictive behavior such as drinking etc.
A few things.

Books, videos, audio stuff.

No more mr nice guy was good, spaetanlifecoach has some decent stuff, a lot of "game" stuff is good for it too

It was not a quick process, i had to immerse myself in the material for as i say a good year.

Once i filled in the lack of knowledge, and began to actually look at myself and the way i behaved, i realized i was actually a scumbag, this is something that codependents often dont realize, they victimize themselves and feel they are innocent but actually they are devious, bitter *******s.

This was me. My BPD ex and i played games on each other, i was just as bad as her in terms of selfishness but she was just a better manupulator. Once i realized we were both messed up in different ways and stopped blaming her i was able to fix myself.

I started to change my thinking. I'd catch myself thinking like a codependent and stop myself from doing it, i got quicker and quicker at doing that until it just stopped entirely.

Then i had to put a lot if effort into myself, gym, sorting out my career etc. Codependents never work on self improvement or realize they have to be what they want to attract, they are lazy and feel like they are owed everythibg for being a "good person" (even though they are actually ****s)

It was NOT easy, it took a year plus, 100s of hours of studying, but it is doable and once you are out if it, as far as i can see there is no going back. You cant go back to sleep once you are self aware. But i think most codependents don't put the hard yards in and look for quick fixes.

The positive of coming out the other side is it makes you a pretty chill person, you realize everyone is dealing with their own **** and dont take things personally. You realize life should be enjoyed.
 
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Today I texted her and you know what she replies she replies she doesn't she doesn't oh well...i have this other girl who has been staying at my house with me for 4 days already and she will continue to stay with me.

I did not say I miss her or I want to see her...i told her about something crazy that really did happen to me the other night and that's all just neutral the whole time.

I kind of feel messed up today for the first time...but I have barley slept last night so maybe that's it. I don't care if she comes around or not...im prepared to deal with her and I'm prepared to never speak to her again.
 

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Today I texted her and you know what she replies she replies she doesn't she doesn't oh well...i have this other girl who has been staying at my house with me for 4 days already and she will continue to stay with me.

I did not say I miss her or I want to see her...i told her about something crazy that really did happen to me the other night and that's all just neutral the whole time.

I kind of feel messed up today for the first time...but I have barley slept last night so maybe that's it. I don't care if she comes around or not...im prepared to deal with her and I'm prepared to never speak to her again.
Please stop bull****ting us and yourself.

You are heading towards a fall here.
 

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Today I texted her and you know what she replies she replies she doesn't she doesn't oh well...i have this other girl who has been staying at my house with me for 4 days already and she will continue to stay with me.

I did not say I miss her or I want to see her...i told her about something crazy that really did happen to me the other night and that's all just neutral the whole time.

I kind of feel messed up today for the first time...but I have barley slept last night so maybe that's it. I don't care if she comes around or not...im prepared to deal with her and I'm prepared to never speak to her again.
Why the hell would you want some random chick staying with you at your house??
 

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Why the hell would you want some random chick staying with you at your house??
She's not random I knew her before the bpd...she was always my backup if and when the bpd fell thru...i would talk to her still while j was with the bpd
 

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She's not random I knew her before the bpd...she was always my backup if and when the bpd fell thru...i would talk to her still while j was with the bpd
OK, so why would you want a backup chick staying at your house?? Are you that desperate for a woman's attention you have to have one around constantly for self-validation?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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