Guys, it's no big deal if you call to make sure your plans are still on! Would you rather call and find out beforehand that she's going to flake or would you prefer to waste your time sitting around waiting for someone who's not going to show up?
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Jitterbug nailed it.Jitterbug said:Knight's Cross, you're an old guy trying to date in a young messed up world lol
This calling to confirm BS is a very new thing, which came about because of desperate betas giving entitled women way too much, making them celebrities in their own social circle. As a result, they behave like ones. If you were a celeb and the riff raff want to meet up with you, you'd want this "call to confirm" crap just to show how little you care and how you are doing them a favour, right?
What the hell "no big deal", It is a huge deal.Lexington said:Guys, it's no big deal if you call to make sure your plans are still on! Would you rather call and find out beforehand that she's going to flake or would you prefer to waste your time sitting around waiting for someone who's not going to show up?
Adopt, don't fight it. Tell her to text you that day. Weed out the flakes and don't go anywhere waiting like a chump.( . )( . ) said:Jitterbug nailed it.
What is this calling to confirm crap? How does your pride and self worth even allow it? " Oh YOUR obviously the prize, am I still good enough for you?" Is basically what your conveying. Loser act. Your there to weed OUT the flakeyness, not just temporarily subdue it.
No, still shame worthy in my opinion. Your still presuming she doesn't think the sun shines out of your ass and would never in her wildest dreams think of flaking and letting a guy of your caliber slip through her fingers.scrouds said:Adopt, don't fight it. Tell her to text you that day. Weed out the flakes and don't go anywhere waiting like a chump.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
I'm with Lex, I see nothing wrong with a call to confirm. Especially if it's with someone you haven't gone out with yet. If she was thinking of flaking, it might even push her back in line. She may even think you might flake if you haven't talked to her for awhile.Lexington said:Guys, it's no big deal if you call to make sure your plans are still on! Would you rather call and find out beforehand that she's going to flake or would you prefer to waste your time sitting around waiting for someone who's not going to show up?
So let me get this straight: you would rather travel however long to the meeting place, get stood up there and travel back? That sounds more like "beta phaggotry" than simply calling right before the meetup to make sure.What the hell "no big deal", It is a huge deal.
And waste time? Please. Go to meeting place, buy drink wait ten minutes then leave if she flakes. It's not that much of an issue and at least your cutting out the beta phaggotry and can walk away with half your self worth.
For men everywhere guys, do us all a favour and knock this "calling to confirm" shyte off, it's truly shameful. And furthermore how it's even being suggested here is baffling, I'm almost sure this would have been laughed off the board a few years ago.
Nothing demonstrates value like taking the time to travel to and from a date and being stood up!zekko said:By the way, screw the whole "I might lose value" attitude. BE a high value guy, that way you won't have to worry about looking like you're losing value.
Personally I've never been stood up nor can I imagine it happening but yes absolutely. The alternative is weak and compromises my principals. Besides, chicks will never pass up opportunities to be with guys they perceive as high value, just doesnt happen.Lexington said:So let me get this straight: you would rather travel however long to the meeting place, get stood up there and travel back? .
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Calling to confirm has nothing to do with self worth or value. It's simply common courtesy.( . )( . ) said:Calling to confirm is reserved for the sea of chumps who see their self worth as lower than hers.
If calling before the date to let a girl know that you're heading out diminishes your value, then you must be very insecure indeed. Girls don't pass up opportunities to be with guys they perceive as high value but they don't lose interest in high value individuals because that person called before a date.( . )( . ) said:Personally I've never been stood up nor can I imagine it happening but yes absolutely. The alternative is weak and compromises my principals. Besides, chicks will never pass up opportunities to be with guys they perceive as high value, just doesnt happen.
Calling to confirm is reserved for the sea of chumps who see their self worth as lower than hers.
How to avoid a flake:Knight's Cross said:Ok so I had another Type A pursue me. She asked me out first back on saturday, same day date. I gave her my e-mail addy. I had plans and countered with tuesday after work for drinks, she gave me her cel. I didn't call to confirm, etc. So today rolls around. I leave work, go to said swank place for a drink 15 minutes roll by....no chick. I call her. She states, blah blah blah, I can't make it....blah blah blah I didn't have your #...She acts distracted and says she'll call me back...I say cool and tell her goodbye. Delete #.
Now, what Type A business woman doesn't have e-mail access on her iPhone, Droid, Blackberry, etc? Or couldnt call the place we were to meet at and leave a message.
It's a #'s game isn't it. Moral of the story. When they pull this crap, be willing to walk IMMEDIATELY and NEVER take their calls. I'm convinced that if enough guys sent a STRONG enough message regarding this crappy behavior we wouldn't see it occur as much. Unfortunately once the behavior is established it's probably too late, as well there aren't enough fathers raising their sons to be MEN.
KC
No doubt these same girls who look down on guys who make confirmation calls are the same girls who want unreliable abusive jerks. Lol, classy bunch.Lexington said:If calling before the date to let a girl know that you're heading out diminishes your value, then you must be very insecure indeed. Girls don't pass up opportunities to be with guys they perceive as high value but they don't lose interest in high value individuals because that person called before a date.
The point, Danger, is not that you have to call to confirm.Danger said:If you had never been flaked on by a woman, or if you had never even heard of it.....would you still call to confirm?
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Agree. You were absolutely right not to call to confirm pre-date.Knight's Cross said:Solomon and SgtS,
Nope calling to confirm? WTF? That just lowers my position. The one sure indicator of a womans IL is her showing up when you've set up a date. Not to mention that when she called me the second night after, she again used the wrong name. Come on, if she didn't look back at her e-mail and realize what my name was this chick is not worth my time.
Its KBJing bull**** to the fullest, if you are a guy who has experience you have to discern for yourself what works. Confirming to call is being beta? Geez some guys really need to get of that "alpha&beta" ****ryding b.s. that everyone is on an make decisions for themselves and not because XXXPoster said that's coolzekko said:No doubt these same girls who look down on guys who make confirmation calls are the same girls who want unreliable abusive jerks. Lol, classy bunch.
This subject doesn't even have anything to do with women, really.
Several years ago I was in a band located out of town. We had a regular practice date. One time I drove to their city and I was told "Didn't you get our message, we had to cancel practice". They had called me and left a message on my home phone, but I had just left before I got it. Ever since then I insisted on a confirmation call. You're right Lex, your time is valuable.
Being the leader type that I amI often get the tickets for events or make arrangements for lodging for the group. I almost always will say "don't forget we're going to such and such the weekend of the 29th" or whatever. It's just good business, common sense.
I swear, some people live in some sort of pickup fantasyland where every little action they make is the difference between alpha and AFC. Damn, women aren't even that important, are they? It reminds me of all those "What do alphas eat for breakfast?" type parody posts.
Wow that is one hell of an argument you put forth there. Calling to confirm a date is bad because it's "GHEY." They should definitely reserve a spot for you on the Harvard debate team.Zunder said:Agree. You were absolutely right not to call to confirm pre-date.
Thats what I would have done in my not so long ago AFC days/daze.
This chick had a chance and fvcked up.
Mate if she really gave a shyte about meeting you - then nothing short of Global Thermal Nuclear Catastrophe would stop her.
If I were you I wouldnt even have called to ask where she was.
Frankly I dont know what planet Zekko and Lexington are on with this one. Calling to confrim is GHEY - period. You can joust back and forth with all sorts of arguments as to why it is good to confirm a date - but mate, its GHEY. End of story.
Yes. With pretty much every girl I've ever asked out either I called before the date or they did. I just call and say that I'm heading over to the meeting point or that I'm going to their place to pick them up (if they didn't call first). It's common courtesy. There's nothing "low value" about it.If you had never been flaked on by a woman, or if you had never even heard of it.....would you still call to confirm?
Well. I guess that clears that up.Zunder said:Frankly I dont know what planet Zekko and Lexington are on with this one. Calling to confrim is GHEY - period. You can joust back and forth with all sorts of arguments as to why it is good to confirm a date - but mate, its GHEY. End of story.
:crackup:Lexington said:Wow that is one hell of an argument you put forth there. Calling to confirm a date is bad because it's "GHEY." They should definitely reserve a spot for you on the Harvard debate team.
You don't understand, Lex. It's not about value. It's "GHEY". That's what the problem is. Surely you can see that.Lexington said:Calling before a date to let the girl know you're heading out shouldn't have any effect on your perceived value. If it does, you already lost the girl long before that. You must not have a whole lot of value in her eyes if a simple phone call to make sure you're not wasting your time makes a difference.
Apparently it means your boss is "GHEY".Lexington said:My boss calls or pages all of the different teams before meetings. Does that demonstrate low value?
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.