"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Embarrassed to be seen with HB1-6s
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
that's what i've found anyway.. i'm surprised though that an ugly chick with you would give you more value than a HB8 skanky looking hoe in their eyes.
Interesting that Trump doesn't list his age (recommended by mods a while back to put questions/advice in perspective).Trump said:
For me, 41 was my best age. I regularly pick up women in their 20's. If you stay in shape you can improve with age. I've dated 8 hot girls in the past 2 years (and only had to pay 2). When you are making $90 an hour running your own business they want to get married even if you are over 30, trust me.
True. It should also be said that you can't be blatantly in the friendzone with the girl either - if you're shopping with her at victoria's secret as she's checking out other guys, don't expect other women to be throwing their numbers at you. U dont have to be banging her persay, but don't be her doormat eitherMegaman XIV said:
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
youngmack
Master Don Juan
Now a day dudes put b1tches on pedestals and would kill just for some poon.
I remember i was out with a 9 and some random dudes started talking sh1t . They was like how they would take her from me easily, calling her all types of names, and calling me a "pvssy nigga".
And the crazy thing is they was about to try and jump me but a cop car pulled up so they didnt.
Honestly i'd prefer going out with 7-8s (around my average) to avoid less drama, but i would prefer banging the 9-10s lol
Guess I should have been clearer, those things are important for guys looking for a girlfriend/wife/sex. If a girl is overweight, the guy doesn't like it. If a girl is over 30 looking to get married, the guy doesn't like it and she is almost done. If a girl doesn't look good, the guy doesn't like it. These things are just my experience, could differ with others.bigneil said:
By the way, I'm 34.
In fact the other day I was out with one in a beach town near me and we ran into a (male) friend of mine. We all had a drink together and when she went to the bathroom I felt the need to give him a "disclaimer" -- ie., I'm not that into her, the sex was easy, I'm dating other women, etc. He laughed about it.
On the other hand, the few times I've dated an 8+ I went out of my way to show her off to friends and family and post pics of us together on Facebook.
Pretty interesting, though predictable I guess.
To address the points the others made here, I agree that if a woman is average or better looking she will increase your standing with other women. I brought a 5 with me to my grad school once. She was very average and a little overweight but a really funny, fun girl to be around and she was making me laugh the entire time. Other women saw us together and me smiling and they were giving me looks like they wanted to get with me. It was so obvious that I remember it 10 years later.
So part of it is the effect that the woman is having on you. If you're with a woman and you both look very happy, that will attract chicks as well. Even if she's not all that hot. Women might even look at the two of you and think, "He looks really fun, and I'm hotter than the girl he's with, maybe I should try to move in."
However if you bring some hellishly obese fugly along with you, it's only going to raise eyebrows unless you're just as unattractive. Women are extremely superficial when they judge each other. They basically base it 100% on looks initially.
BeDJ
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Stop banging 5's
I can be my narcissistic self with less attractive broads. I think I like the control more than the sex. I can be like a god to 5s and 6s.7s and 8s are on a more equal footing with me and I have to give more, and 9s and 10s are out of my league. 4s and below I can't get an erection with. 5s and 6s are the sweet-spot for me. A few weeks ago a 5 asked permission to lick my balls. This was on a first date. How fun is that.
I granted her permission, by the way
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.