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This'll probably turn into a 5 paged topic, with haters flaming me and a bunch of stuff, but I don't care. I go out, if you do great, if you don't and rip on people who do, you are pathetic and should burn in hell. On to better things, yeah, I'm just mostly gonna write and give a few tips on what I've seen has worked in field for me. May not work for you, but whatever, try before you rip someone's advice. This is mostly for day game, so if you're a night game guy, it's probably not best that you take some of this advice.

Approaching

Approaching. It's what you call it when you see a cute girl and you go up and talk to her. But a lot of guys are afraid to do it, I was myself at once. But I can't really give any other advice, than just do it man. Just approach. It doesn't matter if she tells you to f*ck off first second you get there, it doesn't matter if she walks away, just approach. You need an opener? "Hey". So if you're beggining just go up to girls and say "Hey" maybe even "How's it going?" then eject with "Well it was nice talking to you, bye". But yeah, I can't really give any greater advice about the subject of approaching, but just do it. Despite your fear of getting rejected, just go up there. If you don't go up there and just spend all your time thinking about approaching her, she's gonna leave eventually.

Subcommunication

More than words or looks, I think this is a big factor of whether girls will be into you or not. If you're lying, she can tell. If you're nervous, she can tell. But first off let me give my definition of subcommunication. I think subcommunication is basically how confident you are in a set. For instance, a guy who's not confident, will be shaking, nervous, probably won't have great eye contact and won't really speak loudly, nor really have good body language. This to me is bad subcommunication. Now a guy who's confident, is pretty calm, isn't really nervous and speaks clear and conscise. This to me is good subcommunication.

Some other things that can cause bad subcommunication are, if she can sense that you're worried about the outcome, if she can sense if you're afraid of getting rejected and if she can sense that you're not being truthful with her. However, even if you're going up to her, all high energy and being the dancing monkey, that's bad subcommunication because she can see that you're trying to entertain her.

"Good" subcommunication, is the reason I can go up to girls, say "Hey, how's your major?" and get into a good convo with her. It's not what I'm saying that makes them interested in me, but it's the fact that I have good subcommunication. Heck, with good subcommunication you can go up there singing "Mary had a little lamb!" and freaking keep her interested, although that's not my style.

So how can I make my subcommunication better?

Well I think there are a number of things that you can do to make your subcommunication better. One thing is to approach so much, that you eventually become so used to it, that you're not nervous. The girls will start seeing that you're not nervous and your subcommunication will improve. Another thing that can help your subcommunication is don't go into sets all high energy. It may not be like this for everyone, but most of the time you go up to a girl high energy, she'll think you're trying to entertain her. However, I've learned that going in there low energy subcommunicates better things, because overall, girls like a guy who can be calm and collected around them. And overall, I think going in there low energy subcommunicates that you're not intimidated by women, it subcommunicates that you're not nervous and overall subcommunicates indifference sort of, because a lot of guys can't be calm around beautiful women.

So how can you become more calm in your approaches? Easy. Just try being calm. Literally calm yourself down. Start practicing breathing slower and more calmly. Try practicing being calm, in not so calm situations. Start speaking slower and more calmly too. If you're a person who talks fast, that's bad because it doesn't subcommunicate that your calm and confident. But yeah, once you've practiced being calm, try approaching women being calm and eventually, you'll just become genuinely calm around women. Remember though, calm doesn't mean you have to be all serious nor does low energy mean you have to be all serious, have fun and smile.

Stop caring about rejection

Another thing that can help make your subcommunication better, is to genuinely stop caring about rejection. How do you stop caring about rejection? Well you approach a lot and overall learn to move on in your mind if one particular girl doesn't like you. I know I use to get rejected by girls and then I would start thinking about it and analyzing it in my mind, even get p*ssed because the girl rejected. However, this wasn't good, because I was being reactive to the girls and being reactive is never good. So however you want to do it, just stop caring about if a girl rejects you. If a girl rejects you, don't even give the rejection another thought, move on in your mind.

The way I stopped caring about rejection was, when a girl rejected me and I started thinking about it, I would try to think about something else, other than the rejection. If the thought of the rejection came back, I would try to do my best to stop thinking about it. After a couple weeks of going in with that mindset about rejection, I just stopped caring about rejection. Now, if a girl rejects me, I can just walk away and don't give the rejection another thought. So yeah, if you stop caring about rejection, it will help your subcommunication.

Don't worry about what you say.

When you go up to girls and talk to them, stop worrying about what to say. If you get to a point in the convo and you feel that it's dying, SAY ANYTHING. The reason saying anything works is because it's not actually the words you say, that attract a woman. Another word for just saying anything to move the convo along is called plowing. When you plow, it doesn't matter what you say and it does not have to make logical sense. Game is not logical. Now the say anything thing isn't MY style in particular, cause I just go up there and have convos, but yeah.

Talk LOUD, but calmly.

This is another thing I've noticed that has improved my sets. Talking LOUD, but talking calmly at the same time. So how do you talk calmly though? Well, just talk slower and not as fast. Another thing I've noticed is not saying everything at once does wonders. You can say "Well I was at the bar the other day and there was this big fight" which is cool, but inserting pauses in there like "Well... I was at the bar, the other day, and there was... this big fight". Pausing works because it keeps her interested and even adds a bit of suspense. It's like when you say it all at once, there's no suspense.

It's kind of like on those game shows, where they to eliminate people. If they just said "The loser is Michael" there's no suspense in that. But if they say "The loser is...[wait a couple of seconds] Michea!" then there's suspense. Talking loudly is pretty self explanatory, talk to her in a louder voice. Talking loudly shows that you have confidence in what you're saying. Talking calmly also shows that you have confidence in what you're saying.

Be real.

This is one of the toughest ones, but overall being real with a girl will improve your subcommunication a lot. Take genuine interest in what she says and don't just be worried the whole conversation, about if you're going to get a certain outcome or not. But yeah, be real with her. Talk to her about stuff that matters to you. Be yourself around her. Now I know what you're thinking "Be yourself is horrible advice". Well I have to disagree because I feel that when a guy is an AFC he can't really be himself, because he doesn't know how to present his personality to others. But yeah, if you're pissed, act pissed around the girl. If you're happy, be happy around the girl.

See the thing is there shouldn't be a pickup you and who you really are. Who you really are should be who you are in pickup. And overall the genuine thing doesn't just apply to getting girls, but it overall applies to life and having conversations with people overall. When you go up to a girl and talk to her, don't be fake. Don't go up there and tell her a bunch of lies. I gaurantee you that if you just told her what was REALLY on your mind, you'd get far more interest than you would telling lies.

This is also means, if you think a girl's hot, tell her. Don't try to hide that fact when you're talking to her. You lose her? Oh well, there are millions of other girls to talk to. This also means though, that if you think a girl is being straight rude or just being a b*tch and you WANT to call her out on it, call her out on it. But yeah... when you go up there, be real. Genuinely listen to her and genuinely take interest in what she says, IF she says something that genuinely interest you.

Body Language

You've probably heard these things a million times, but they will help your subcommunication improve. A lot of times when newer guys go up to girls they have bad body language. They're freaking shaking, afraid of eye contact and all that stuff. Now for the shaking thing, I'd say the same thing I said before, try and go up to girls being calm. Once you've genuinely become a calm person, the shaking will stop. Eye contact is a very big thing too, it shows her that you're genuinely interested in talking to her and overall, that you're not afraid of eye contact, like a lot of people are. Smiling helps a lot too, because if you smile, a lot of girls will just be more willing to talk to you. I also think smiling helps, because it emits positivity, which is always good.
 

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Snowman23 said:
This has all been said a millions times over.
And? I actually go out and I'm just sharing what I've seen from my actual in-field experiences. Plus I doubt you read the whole thing as I just posted it a couple minutes before your post. Most likely you read all the bold stuff, skimmed it and came to the conclusion that "Aw he's just regurgitating sh*t". And even if it is regurgitated, I don't care, I'm just sharing my advice from my experiences.
 

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Ok ElStud, how would you like me to respond? I want you to tell me exactly what you want me to say to this post.

No hate, no flame, just tell me what you want to hear.

If i look at only the positive side of my opinion on this piece, this is it. Yes it's good advice, yes i believe subcommunication does mean alot more. I do think you piece is better suited to someone who doesn't know that much about this sort of thing and doesnt' have much personal experience.

I'll do you one better, i'll help you state that subcommunication means more than what you say. How? By stating an example that happened to me. *Didn't see any in-field examples in your OP*

I'm at work, and i'm flirting with the cashier who's on duty. I got nothing to do and we're just "plowing", i knew only a little about game back then but i knew women could smell fear a mile away. This chick (CuteHB7) just directly asks me

"What do you want from me Sam?"

Somehow i muster up the testicular fortitude, and my exact reply verbatim was:

"I want to get into your pants."

I had strong subcommunication, no slouching, eye contact, no hesitation, and a calm and collected voice.

Instead of getting pissed off or embarrassed or what have you, she started laughing and moved forward to hug me. nailed her later that week.

Is this what you want ElStud? to be vindicated in that yes you are giving decent advice? Well yes, you are, now improve and take your personal experience to the next level instead of posting the same stuff every week.
 

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Are you f*cking serious? Not only has this been posted before, YOU POSTED THIS SH*T A MONTH AGO! It doesnt make sense to make post about the samething every month. Get a life.
 

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Just as I expected. You guys do the same stuff everytime, it's rather predictable. Take the advice or don't. There's a good chance you hating and criticizing have not read the whole post.
 
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ElStud said:
Just as I expected. You guys do the same stuff everytime, it's rather predictable. Take the advice or don't. There's a good chance you hating and criticizing have not read the whole post.

why would someone who wants to succeed with women take advice from a creepy virgin?
 

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Sigh it's oakraiderz, snowman(Mr. All Pretty girls have BF's) and The Logical Player. But this is the kind of sh*t I would expect out of most of you. In the end you can call me whatever you want logical player, but in the end I still go up to girls and they talk to me, using the advice listed here, so whatever you say means nothing.
 

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Wow. This is a great post. Everyone should read this. My game will improve tremendously after obtaining this knowledge.
 
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ElStud said:
Sigh it's oakraiderz, snowman(Mr. All Pretty girls have BF's) and The Logical Player. But this is the kind of sh*t I would expect out of most of you. In the end you can call me whatever you want logical player, but in the end I still go up to girls and they talk to me, using the advice listed here, so whatever you say means nothing.

i am not calling you anything Elstud, I am stating the FACT - that you are a creepy virgin. Girls talk to you because you are the retarded kid that everyone is obligated to be nice to (I am not making this up, the PROOF is in all of the field reports you posted over the last 2 years). In the end, you go up to girls, get laughed at, and delude yourself to think you've done something constructive, when really all you have done is the same thing you been doing for years, which is NOT actually GETTING girls

you need some serious medical help, thats the bottom line, and you really need to shut your virgin trap until you know what girls are all about through EXPERIENCE, and not experience of getting rejected, but experience of SUCCESS
 

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ElStud said:
Sigh it's oakraiderz, snowman(Mr. All Pretty girls have BF's) and The Logical Player. But this is the kind of sh*t I would expect out of most of you. In the end you can call me whatever you want logical player, but in the end I still go up to girls and they talk to me, using the advice listed here, so whatever you say means nothing.
So what exactly does that mean? You talk to girls??? And then what?? NOTHING! Ive said this before, GET A DATE! All you do is talk to girls. You dont get numbers or anywhere past talking. You clearly still dont get it. And dont get mad at other peole that youre a virgin and havent even seen a boob.
 

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The sad thing is since this is only a message board, he could have made up a ton of stories where he was actually successful! At this point, nobody would believe him now though. Pity how people can dig themselves into a grave via a FORUM.
 

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ElStud said:
but in the end I still go up to girls and they talk to me,
Yeah, and so does EVERYONE ELSE! :eek:


Hold off on the advice until you know something important.
 

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The Logical Player said:
i am not calling you anything Elstud, I am stating the FACT - that you are a creepy virgin. Girls talk to you because you are the retarded kid that everyone is obligated to be nice to (I am not making this up, the PROOF is in all of the field reports you posted over the last 2 years). In the end, you go up to girls, get laughed at, and delude yourself to think you've done something constructive, when really all you have done is the same thing you been doing for years, which is NOT actually GETTING girls

you need some serious medical help, thats the bottom line, and you really need to shut your virgin trap until you know what girls are all about through EXPERIENCE, and not experience of getting rejected, but experience of SUCCESS
You are not calling me anything idiot, you just called me a creepy virgin. In the end you are a hater and I do not wish you to burn in hell, but seriously get a life. You are what makes this forum such sh*t. This forum needs a positive influence and here idiots like you are, flaming and hating on people for who knows what reason. I will say it again, you can say anything Logical Player, but it will never be true. What happens in field is the truth, what you say isn't. You can talk all you want about how girls think I'm creepy or a retard. But them actually talking and being interested in me in field obviously shows something different.

And no, a FACT is not something you pull out of your ass. Have you seen me approach? No. I could reverse this little game and say you're a creepy virgin and pull sh*t out of your ancient field reports. But am I? No, because I'm more mature than that.

I think you're mad that there's someone who can actually go up to girls and be themselves and not just go up there using lame routines like you.

My main point is, you can call me anything you like, but in field is where the truth lies.

You sir, are one of the reasons this forum is going to sh*t. Oh yeah and I'm ignoring you.
 
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ElStud said:
And no, a FACT is not something you pull out of your ass. Have you seen me approach? No. I could reverse this little game and say you're a creepy virgin and pull sh*t out of your ancient field reports. But am I? No, because I'm more mature than that.
I have not seen you approach, but I have done the next best thing - I have read 100's of your interactions which clearly show that you fail 100% of the time, because you have not even had a DATE yet from approaching. I STATE THE TRUTH

Tell me little stud, how are you going to call me a virgin if I pulled a FR for you where I had a threesome? (its out there, fyi) You gonna call someone who f*cked 2 girls a creepy virgin?? you are beyond sick, and an absolute excuse of a P*SSY of a guy
 

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i still cant believe people are praising him for approaching girls.... approach with no followthrough means fvck all to be honest, hes in no better position then he was 2 years ago, the only difference is he now knows 0 percent of the female population will have sex with him without being paid to do so.
 

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Well haters will be haters and that's all I have to say about the subject.
 

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I don't know why you guys get so wound up over this fool.

At then end of the day, he's only kidding himself, and only hurtinghimself. He can parrot out advice we all know, claim he's some sort of super being for talking to women, and we're all haters . .. *yawn*.

When it comes down to it, we're (well I know I am) the happy ones, and he's the one having meaningless interactions with women he'll never form a relationship with.

Don't let him get under your skin, he's not hurting anyone, and we all know he's talking sh!te.
 
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