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Eliminate All Her Other Options

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Thank you gentlemen, for your responses.

Zekko, I'm confused by what you are saying. First, I'm not putting the girl on a pedestal at all. Basically I'm saying that that is what the other guys were doing, so don't do that. They were so obvious in their lust for these women, which was just like so many other men they met, that there was nothing interesting about them, nothing that made them attractive to the women.

Maybe this is a tough concept to some men. I remember a woman who was so in love with me that she was always around. When I was gone for a couple days, she would write love letters and slide them under my door. I got sick of her. She bored me.

Imagine you're a woman and you have not one, but numerous men who suck up to you like that. Sure, there are a lot of men out there who are not supplicating wimps. Some men are better at it. But these women, at least the really beautiful ones, which are the type of women I was talking about, are very good at seeing through even the better-disguised desperation. Even these men bore her.

I'll have to go back and re-read my old posts here, but I don't think I said these guys were afraid to talk to these women. Like you said, they're pretty much ALL flirting with her. And out of all these men, how many are having any luck?

All I'm saying is, you can't be the guy she expects, the guy she meets hundreds of times a week. I don't claim this to be some big revelation, I just wrote this from my observations, and I know it to be true.

DJ So Steve: Who cares if she had a boyfriend? I don't get why some guys think a boyfriend matters at all. If you like her, go get her. Period.

A minor point, but she did not next me. To be nexted, there had to be something going on to begin with. All we had at that point was me talking dirty and grabbing her ass. Not much else.

My purpose was not to sleep with her. I wanted to have sex with her.

Yes, the AFC in me did rear his ugly head, but I don't think it was related to the amount of attention I received from her.

She doesn't have to break up with her boyfriend to be with me. If he wants to buy her flowers and pick her up from work while I'm fvcking her, I'm cool with that. And if she gets tired of me, I'm cool with that too.

No, I wasn't trying to test myself. Why would I do that? I wanted sex.

She did work well as social proof, but uh, did I mention I wanted sex?

I didn't post again because shortly after the events posted here, a great tragedy struck me. My life got altered drastically, and a series of events occurred which totally changed my life. I went through a type of hell most people never experience. This is why I disappeared from this forum for many years. I had new priorities, and as the years passed I unfortunately forgot much of what I used to know about gaming women. I've spent the last couple years returning somewhat to my old lifestyle, trying to snag women the way I used to, with mixed results.

I did not have sex with her back in 2002. But in 2008 I ran into her again. Her booty was a little bigger, and in my opinion, better. We talked about old times and all that crap. I was very frank with her. I told her that I no longer had the time to beat around the bush. I had always been attracted to her, but if she wasn't feeling it with me, then we should both move on.

She didn't want to move on. Apparently she had matured a little. We had our fun. I actually did sleep with her, but that was because sex makes you tired. I still have her number, but haven't called her in awhile. She's busy with some other guy and wants me to respect that, so I am.

Kenny: That's basically what I was saying, except for being superior. And I don't think you should hide that you want sex, just that you aren't going to play by her rules to get it.
 

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Galactus said:
Zekko, I'm confused by what you are saying. First, I'm not putting the girl on a pedestal at all.
Well, honestly, I wouldn't take my post that seriously. It was more of a rant than anything, I was in a bit of a mood that day. There was nothing wrong with what you posted.

But what I was referring to was your description of the girl as having all the options, she could have whatever guy she wanted, etc. It paints a picture of a girl who is pretty much top of the ladder value-wise. If you're putting her at the top that's kind of putting her on a pedestal by definition.

I'll have to go back and re-read my old posts here, but I don't think I said these guys were afraid to talk to these women. Like you said, they're pretty much ALL flirting with her.
Here's where I got that. You were talking about her initial expectations of you: "Either you're going to be shy and not talk to her or make eye contact, or you're going to ogle her and try to impress her, showing your desperation". Presumably she expected that because that's what she got from the other guys. Then you draw the contrast by talking to her confidently.

I'm just saying I see a lot of guys talking to beautiful girls confidently. It probably varies quite a bit by age group. There's a tendency on this forum to paint all guys out in the field as chumps, and I don't think it's accurate. There are a lot of chumps, yes, but I don't think it's as bad as people want to portray it here. All guys have testosterone, after all. I see more guys talking confidently to beautiful girls than I see guys who can't get up the nerve, stammer, or step on their feet. Way more.
Like I said though, age group might be a factor. If you're just out of high school, you're probably going to see more of that type of behavior.

Kenny Powers said:
Zekko your missing the point, you have to be into her but also act superior in that she has to earn you.
Yeah, I get what you're saying. You're the prize, you have options, treat her like a little girl. Although Galactus just said talk to her confidently, he didn't say anything about acting superior to her. But like I said, it was just a rant.

Kenny Powers said:
You need to show interest then pull it away.
Like you say, this doesn't always work. Sometimes it does. But the problem with this type of girl is that she has so many options. If she has guys hitting on her/giving her attention all the time, it's easy for her to be into you while you're giving her your interest.
Then when you withdraw it, she can just start soaking up attention from one of her other admirers. You're out of sight, out of mind. That's when it goes wrong. If it's going to go right, it helps if she really is bored of these other guys like Galactus says.
 

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This post is for AFC's. Instead of eliminating her options, increase her options but you sound like you are incapable of increasing your options at this point in time. Maybe you still have a remnant AFCism?
 

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Hey Alchemystic, if you weren't banned, I'd tell you that raping a woman is about the most AFC thing you can do. But you're banned.

I'd ask you why you think increasing her options would work, but you're banned.

Why is this post for AFCs? Because I'm telling men to act like men and not sheep? Because I'm saying that men should not act like all the other guys and drool over women and put them on a pedestal? I'd ask you all this, but, you're, you know....

Banned.
 

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Remember when you were a little tyke, and you had that one record that you played over and over and over and over, and you never got sick of it? Then, when you got older, you got your own money, you discovered shopping, and before you knew it, you had every CD you ever wanted? All of a sudden, instead of having only one album, you had fifty, a hundred, or a thousand choices. You want to play some music, but you sit there for ten minutes deciding which CD to pop in. Then, when you start listening, you get bored real quick, because you're thinking of the other CDs in your collection, and all the other songs you could be listening to. So you take out this CD in mid-song, and throw another in there.


Okay, so here's this little girl. Mommy and Daddy put the idea into her head that some day, Mr. Right will come into her life and sweep her off her feet. She meets a little boy, and she likes him. She pulls his hair, and punches him in the mouth a lot because she's really into him. One day he gives her a kiss on the cheek, and after that, it's all she can think about. She's found her first love. He's Mr. Right. She's imagining the wedding in her head, down to the last detail. She knows how many kids they're going to have, what he's going to do for a living, she even knows what color the curtains are. This little boy is the man she's going to spend the rest of her life with.

Then she starts growing tits.

Now every boy in school is into her. They're all drooling over her, snapping her bra strap, trying to mack on her. She gets into high school, and her body is developing. The boys are all jerking off at night, thinking about her, and desperately trying to get into her pants. She realizes that the boy she once loved is not the only option now. He's like that old, scratched-up record she never plays anymore. She can choose between many boys, but she can never decide which one she really likes. So she tries one out for awhile, but she gets to thinking about all the other ones demanding her attention, and she gives another one a spin. Then another, then another...

Before long, she's getting ruthless. She's a grown adult now, and for several years she's had the male gender eating out of the palm of her hand. She can pretty much get whatever she wants from a guy, and whatever one guy can't provide, there's another guy who can. But she's getting bored with it. Men aren't a challenge to her, so she keeps going through her collection, trying to find the one that will stir something in her.


I don't buy as many Cds as I used to, but every now and then, I find one that I love, and I play it over and over and over and over. Why? I have so many to choose from. Why do I keep playing this one particular CD?

Because something stands out about it. It's not the typical music. There's something unique about it that you can't get from listening to any other CD. For awhile at least, whenever I want that certain feeling, that CD is the only place it comes from.


Back to our girl. Here she is, smack in the middle of her boring, contemptuous, manipulative existence, and then you walk in the door. At first she thinks nothing of you. Either you're going to be shy and not talk to her or make eye contact, or you're going to ogle her and try to impress her, showing your desperation. She's so used to not being challenged by any man that she doesn't have the slightest clue what's in store for her.

You make great eye contact. You talk clearly and powerfully to her. In the presence of others, you're not afraid to speak your mind. You smile and touch her confidently, and show a sense of humor. Nothing seems to bother you. She senses that you're attracted to her, but she gets the feeling that you could turn around and walk out that door, never seeing her again, and you wouldn't care.


Ever borrow your favorite CD to a friend? Remember how much you wanted it back? You call your buddy, but the a$$hole's never home. You want to hear that music again.

Then the punk moves to Hong Kong, and he took your favorite CD with him! You go to the store to find another copy of that CD, and you find out it was a rare limited edition, and they won't be getting any more. So now you're prowling around the used CD stores and looking on eBay, and after a painful period of time, you finally find another copy. All your other CDs get stepped on and scratched, and loaned out, but this one...THIS ONE... nobody touches. You treasure it more than any other one in your collection. You've learned your lesson. You will not take it for granted again.


So now you've made an impression on the woman. But you disappear for awhile. During this time, she still has her little collection of men, but she doesn't really want to play them. Time is passing, and she can only think about the unique feelings you stir inside her. She begins thinking that maybe you have a collection of your own, and she is going to have to do something to really stand out in your mind. But this is what's going on with all the other women in your collection. They become frustrated that they're not the only ones, and they throw themselves at you.

You become bored. Women aren't a challenge to you anymore, so as your collection grows, you find yourself going through it more and more, trying to find the one that stirs something inside you.

You used to be an AFC, and are now a DJ. She used to be a DJ, and you have reduced her to what you once were.


Think about what bores you. Why are you bored? Because these things offer nothing unique. Why don't we get excited about daily chores? Because we do them daily. Why is a trip to Florida exciting? Because you're not there everyday. Unless you live in Florida, in which case you take it for granted. It's no big deal.

Corporations know that, in order to make you buy what they're selling, they have to stand out in some way. If every potato chip was the same in every way that matters, you wouldn't be loyal to any one brand, you would go for whatever brand was on the shelf as you pass by. People love "new" things. Frito Lay comes out with a new chip, and eventually people realize it's just a Dorito cut into the shape of a star, with some powdered sugar on it. But by that point, they've already sold us thirty million bags. Just the perception of something being new and unique is enough to make humans crave it.

We always talk about being confident, and limiting our availability, and not taking any crap from women, and these techniques work. But why do they work? Because women are treated the same way by men, day in, day out, and they're used to it. They're bored out of their skulls. They're looking for someone to act in a new and exciting way, to awaken them from their miserable existence. They have so many options, but they're all like recycled pop songs. They have nothing new to offer.

Then, just like that new CD with the style of music you can't get anywhere else, you offer her something different. She wants to feel that music over and over again.

She has a world of options. If you're just like all the rest, how can you blame her if she discards you like a CD that she can just go out and buy another copy of? Be unique, excite her with your confidence and individuality, and you'll be the only real option for her.

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"Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that, apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second best policy. Second is not all that bad."
-George Carlin
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We all have this, as you said.
We all are humans.
When I see my grandfathers and my parents, which kept their relationship for more than 50 years old, What does it comes to my mind?
How did they manage to do this?
Was it fear? If yes, which fear?

We could translate this to modern world social media.
A women follow 100 guys. 20 of them, categorized as chad's. 80, just invisible.
Of those 20, there'll be variations: the childhood friend, the tall but ugly, the short but wealthy and charismatic, the sexiest but criminal. A women, will also live in this world. This is the 21st century.
So women nowadays, cannot really "lock" down themself to just one person with all those options and so and a very easy achievement threshold, right at their fingertips.

I see it with how we behave in the current world: we change our smartphone every 2 years, we don't keep our clothes but we are constantly changing and seek the new. We get a very good house, but we are yet making project for another one, bigger and better.
In short, we do not get affectionate to anything, because they told us that being affectionate makes us needy and weak. And this is the "capitalism" mentality you need to have in order to thrive in this society. Did we just ported it to relationships?

But I'm still asking how did my parents manage to stay togheter all this time.
 

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The original post was written in March 2002. In March 2002, I was in the mating environment as a freshman in college. There are posters on this forum in 2024 were pre-puberty and not in the sexual marketplace in 2002.

The typical female in 2002 had fewer options as compared to similar females in the 2010s-2020s. In 2002, online dating websites like Match and eHarmony were a thing. There was still debate in 2002 as to whether or not there was a stigma associated with using dating websites. By 2005, the stigma had pretty much disappeared. Once online dating websites started getting more popular, women started getting more options on sites like Okcupid, Plenty of Fish, Match, and others. It then got even worse once Tinder launched in 2012.

While it might have been more possible to eliminate her other options in 2002, I think trying that in the 2010s-2020s is the wrong fundamental idea. Now, the better idea to create your own abundance and get more options yourself. When a man has more options, he doesn't have scarcity mentality. Scarcity mentality leads to worse outcomes.
 

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Ora, l’idea migliore è creare la tua abbondanza e ottenere tu stesso più opzioni. Quando un uomo ha più opzioni, non ha una mentalità di scarsità. La mentalità della scarsità porta a risultati peggiori.
This.
How could we reply to my question?
 

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You have to be rare, and it's not as hard as most guys think.
Fast forward 22 years later. Brad Pitt, Ben Affleck, Tom Brady, Will Smith, Kevin Costner, and Johnny Depp, all rare men, couldn’t be the rare alpha widows.
 

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Fast forward 22 years later. Brad Pitt, Ben Affleck, Tom Brady, Will Smith, Kevin Costner, and Johnny Depp, all rare men, couldn’t be the rare alpha widows.
And it's actually soothing the pain, knowing that even the most HVM goes through the same shyte like Average Joe .


To address the OP; it's always been about eliminating competition. There are just two major issues nowadays; the competition is fiercer than ever before, and simultaneously there's more competition due to OLD.

It's almost impossible to swoop away a socalled " good sheltered woman ". Every woman makes you compete by default because lets be real: when you meet her it would (almost ) be weird if ZERO dudes are chasing her

To end on a positive note. The moment her interest level is around lets say 8/10, you can be assured that you've TEMPORARILY eliminated most of your competitors. The art is to keep her in that state of bliss.
 

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To end on a positive note. The moment her interest level is around lets say 8/10, you can be assured that you've TEMPORARILY eliminated most of your competitors. The art is to keep her in that state of bliss.
This is where it pays off to be a specialist in suspense fiction.
 

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The art is to keep her in that state of bliss.
How bad it's to keep a relationship nowadays.
It's a job for the men.
I just think, but I may be wrong, why not just focus on yourself, never give those thoughts any weight, and women will come, the true ones will just come there for you.

For me, just for me, all the purpose of putting effort on understanding female behaviour, and why not, male too, is just for fun, and to graps the things that could improve my wellbeing.

As for now, my wellbeing just decresed, not because I'm depressed after getting knowledge, but to now know how women really behave.
 

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How bad it's to keep a relationship nowadays.
It's a job for the men.
I just think, but I may be wrong, why not just focus on yourself, never give those thoughts any weight, and women will come, the true ones will just come there for you.

For me, just for me, all the purpose of putting effort on understanding female behaviour, and why not, male too, is just for fun, and to graps the things that could improve my wellbeing.

As for now, my wellbeing just decresed, not because I'm depressed after getting knowledge, but to now know how women really behave.
I agree that this is a vital strategy.

If this attracted her in the first place, then you simply " keep doing you". And that's the tricky part: if you were jester maxxing from the get go, you'll keep running around like a clown to keep her around.

Might as well put that running energy into yourself while the results with women might even get better..but its counterintuitive to most men
 

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Remember when you were a little tyke, and you had that one record that you played over and over and over and over, and you never got sick of it? Then, when you got older, you got your own money, you discovered shopping, and before you knew it, you had every CD you ever wanted? All of a sudden, instead of having only one album, you had fifty, a hundred, or a thousand choices. You want to play some music, but you sit there for ten minutes deciding which CD to pop in. Then, when you start listening, you get bored real quick, because you're thinking of the other CDs in your collection, and all the other songs you could be listening to. So you take out this CD in mid-song, and throw another in there.


Okay, so here's this little girl. Mommy and Daddy put the idea into her head that some day, Mr. Right will come into her life and sweep her off her feet. She meets a little boy, and she likes him. She pulls his hair, and punches him in the mouth a lot because she's really into him. One day he gives her a kiss on the cheek, and after that, it's all she can think about. She's found her first love. He's Mr. Right. She's imagining the wedding in her head, down to the last detail. She knows how many kids they're going to have, what he's going to do for a living, she even knows what color the curtains are. This little boy is the man she's going to spend the rest of her life with.

Then she starts growing tits.

Now every boy in school is into her. They're all drooling over her, snapping her bra strap, trying to mack on her. She gets into high school, and her body is developing. The boys are all jerking off at night, thinking about her, and desperately trying to get into her pants. She realizes that the boy she once loved is not the only option now. He's like that old, scratched-up record she never plays anymore. She can choose between many boys, but she can never decide which one she really likes. So she tries one out for awhile, but she gets to thinking about all the other ones demanding her attention, and she gives another one a spin. Then another, then another...

Before long, she's getting ruthless. She's a grown adult now, and for several years she's had the male gender eating out of the palm of her hand. She can pretty much get whatever she wants from a guy, and whatever one guy can't provide, there's another guy who can. But she's getting bored with it. Men aren't a challenge to her, so she keeps going through her collection, trying to find the one that will stir something in her.


I don't buy as many Cds as I used to, but every now and then, I find one that I love, and I play it over and over and over and over. Why? I have so many to choose from. Why do I keep playing this one particular CD?

Because something stands out about it. It's not the typical music. There's something unique about it that you can't get from listening to any other CD. For awhile at least, whenever I want that certain feeling, that CD is the only place it comes from.


Back to our girl. Here she is, smack in the middle of her boring, contemptuous, manipulative existence, and then you walk in the door. At first she thinks nothing of you. Either you're going to be shy and not talk to her or make eye contact, or you're going to ogle her and try to impress her, showing your desperation. She's so used to not being challenged by any man that she doesn't have the slightest clue what's in store for her.

You make great eye contact. You talk clearly and powerfully to her. In the presence of others, you're not afraid to speak your mind. You smile and touch her confidently, and show a sense of humor. Nothing seems to bother you. She senses that you're attracted to her, but she gets the feeling that you could turn around and walk out that door, never seeing her again, and you wouldn't care.


Ever borrow your favorite CD to a friend? Remember how much you wanted it back? You call your buddy, but the a$$hole's never home. You want to hear that music again.

Then the punk moves to Hong Kong, and he took your favorite CD with him! You go to the store to find another copy of that CD, and you find out it was a rare limited edition, and they won't be getting any more. So now you're prowling around the used CD stores and looking on eBay, and after a painful period of time, you finally find another copy. All your other CDs get stepped on and scratched, and loaned out, but this one...THIS ONE... nobody touches. You treasure it more than any other one in your collection. You've learned your lesson. You will not take it for granted again.


So now you've made an impression on the woman. But you disappear for awhile. During this time, she still has her little collection of men, but she doesn't really want to play them. Time is passing, and she can only think about the unique feelings you stir inside her. She begins thinking that maybe you have a collection of your own, and she is going to have to do something to really stand out in your mind. But this is what's going on with all the other women in your collection. They become frustrated that they're not the only ones, and they throw themselves at you.

You become bored. Women aren't a challenge to you anymore, so as your collection grows, you find yourself going through it more and more, trying to find the one that stirs something inside you.

You used to be an AFC, and are now a DJ. She used to be a DJ, and you have reduced her to what you once were.


Think about what bores you. Why are you bored? Because these things offer nothing unique. Why don't we get excited about daily chores? Because we do them daily. Why is a trip to Florida exciting? Because you're not there everyday. Unless you live in Florida, in which case you take it for granted. It's no big deal.

Corporations know that, in order to make you buy what they're selling, they have to stand out in some way. If every potato chip was the same in every way that matters, you wouldn't be loyal to any one brand, you would go for whatever brand was on the shelf as you pass by. People love "new" things. Frito Lay comes out with a new chip, and eventually people realize it's just a Dorito cut into the shape of a star, with some powdered sugar on it. But by that point, they've already sold us thirty million bags. Just the perception of something being new and unique is enough to make humans crave it.

We always talk about being confident, and limiting our availability, and not taking any crap from women, and these techniques work. But why do they work? Because women are treated the same way by men, day in, day out, and they're used to it. They're bored out of their skulls. They're looking for someone to act in a new and exciting way, to awaken them from their miserable existence. They have so many options, but they're all like recycled pop songs. They have nothing new to offer.

Then, just like that new CD with the style of music you can't get anywhere else, you offer her something different. She wants to feel that music over and over again.

She has a world of options. If you're just like all the rest, how can you blame her if she discards you like a CD that she can just go out and buy another copy of? Be unique, excite her with your confidence and individuality, and you'll be the only real option for her.

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"Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that, apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second best policy. Second is not all that bad."
-George Carlin
 
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