Eli5; space x forcing index funds to buy their stock..yah or nay?

[Gamisch]

I'm making some cash and right now its sitting passively. Safe, but stagnant obly increasing because I'm living stacking ,working hard and monitoringmy expenses

..and yet every time when I'm considering investing something comes up that makes me hesitant.

Now, recently I've heard that space x forces index funds to buy in despite being a losing company. Some say its gonna be a gaint rug pull

Can someone explain this like I'm a challenged 5 year old? Again, keep it simple please...rumors like this make me rather go the slow route and as they say in my native language " keep my money in my sock " instead of trusting it to something I honestly dont understand....and yet on the other hand the FOMO is also real..

Help a brother out!

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

You should have also prefaced this by saying "please don't comment if you have 'Elon Derangement Syndrome' too."

 

[Gamisch]

You should have also prefaced this by saying "please don't comment if you have 'Elon Derangement Syndrome' too."

???
Is that still a thing? Derangement syndromes?

Anyway, do you know how this works regarding the sp500 and IPOs?

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

???
Is that still a thing? Derangement syndromes?

Yes, in fact it's gotten even worse for the people who have them.

I actually would like to know this stuff too, but there's a good chance anyone who talks of this will be heavily biased.

 

[Gamisch]

Yes, in fact it's gotten even worse for the people who have them.

I actually would like to know this stuff too, but there's a good chance anyone who talks of this will be heavily biased.

Okay. I somewhat misunderstood the deranged part my bad. I was merely hoping that anyone with trading experience could explain it all in layman's terms.

Apart from how one feels about Elon Musk.I dont really care about his persona tbh. Because I dont wanna feck around with my hard earned money I wanna make well informed choices!!

On one hand it's all looks like a scam, on the other hand it looks like an opportunity...oh well I just keep my cash in my stacked in my pillow.

 

[viking22]

The basic mechanism is that if indexes are forced to include Space X (and the other mega IPOs in the pipeline such as Chat GPT and Anthropic) then they will have to sell some of all the other stocks in the index to rebalance the weights. This is not great if you take the view that the IPOs are massively overvalued and already major US market indices are very concentrated and top heavy and it will be the biggest tech stocks that are driving returns so it all amounts to a pretty massive bet on AI. Then again is AI something you want to bet against?

Good news is that so far it is only the NASDAQ which is including SpaceX. Most pension funds etc are invested in the broad market index ie S&P 500. So provided you stick to those you'll avoid the more speculative AI plays.

Generally when faced by uncertainty broad diversification is the most sensible approach i.e. reduce your US stock market exposure and move a decent chunk of money into foreign stocks, cash and a smaller chunk of money into things like gold, natural resource equities etc.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Stay away from SpaceX OP. Even if there isn't manipulation of the stock, the product is crap. UFO's have been a thing for many decades now and SpaceX is like the cool younger brother of NASA. Both are show ponies for a gullible population afraid of the notion of extraterrestrials. Area 51 has tech way beyond anything SpaceX ostensibly has.

Only bet on these guys if you're willing to take the risk these guys will be the Golden Child spoon fed all the top info once Disclosure is made. But even then, manipulation. This is the guy who thought these ugly-@ss Cybertrucks were a good idea.

Don't forget Elon made his name with Paypal, partnering with the biggest creep on the face of the planet, Peter Thiel, who has created this Palantir sh1t to spy on everybody. If Elon hangs with Thiel, what kind of respect would he have for his shareholders?

 

[BillyPilgrim]

You should have also prefaced this by saying "please don't comment if you have 'Elon Derangement Syndrome' too."

There is nothing wrong with Elon. Here is his wholesome Mom. She's even doing the illuminati one-eye thing. What's not to like?

 

[Gamisch]

Stay away from SpaceX OP. Even if there isn't manipulation of the stock, the product is crap. UFO's have been a thing for many decades now and SpaceX is like the cool younger brother of NASA. Both are show ponies for a gullible population afraid of the notion of extraterrestrials. Area 51 has tech way beyond anything SpaceX ostensibly has.

Only bet on these guys if you're willing to take the risk these guys will be the Golden Child spoon fed all the top info once Disclosure is made. But even then, manipulation. This is the guy who thought these ugly-@ss Cybertrucks were a good idea.

Don't forget Elon made his name with Paypal, partnering with the biggest creep on the face of the planet, Peter Thiel, who has created this Palantir sh1t to spy on everybody. If Elon hangs with Thiel, what kind of respect would he have for his shareholders?

Today it went to 147 euro. It's just a gamble innit? I would've lost around 50 euro per share by now already...

I'd rather have an investment fund that's extremely boring and stable. This gane simply ain't for me...

 

[Bible_Belt]

Today it went to 147 euro. It's just a gamble innit? I would've lost around 50 euro per share by now already...

I'd rather have an investment fund that's extremely boring and stable. This gane simply ain't for me...

Investing is supposed to be boring. Trading is a completely different thing, and involves a lot more work. But if you are good at it, you can get massive returns from a small account, triple digit annual percentages are possible. It's much easier to trade a small account, because liquidity is less of a concern. Hedge fund geniuses on Wall Street only make 15%, because the size of their orders holds them back. Give one of those guys a $10k account, and they could do 1500% in a year.

 

[MatureDJ]

All of Musk's companies are way too overvalued. This is not to say that they are bad companies, just that investors are overvaluing them.

 

[MatureDJ]

Stay away from SpaceX OP. Even if there isn't manipulation of the stock, the product is crap. UFO's have been a thing for many decades now and SpaceX is like the cool younger brother of NASA. Both are show ponies for a gullible population afraid of the notion of extraterrestrials. Area 51 has tech way beyond anything SpaceX ostensibly has.

Only bet on these guys if you're willing to take the risk these guys will be the Golden Child spoon fed all the top info once Disclosure is made. But even then, manipulation. This is the guy who thought these ugly-@ss Cybertrucks were a good idea.

Don't forget Elon made his name with Paypal, partnering with the biggest creep on the face of the planet, Peter Thiel, who has created this Palantir sh1t to spy on everybody. If Elon hangs with Thiel, what kind of respect would he have for his shareholders?

SpaceX is a great company; it's just not a trillion-$ company.

 

[Gamisch]

SpaceX is a great company; it's just not a trillion-$ company.

What makes it a great company?

 

[craider]

What makes it a great company?

Well creating a whole industry for one. Let's be real, NASA was a joke before SpaceX, and still is.

This is similar to Tesla. Everyone likes to sh*t on Elon for joining an existing company and not yet delivering ultra perfect full self driving. But without him putting pressure on the other automakers they independently deliver nothing. Similar to Toyota and racing: they only got off their ass when the heir felt embarrassed and told them to do it.

Elon's endeavors get crazy multiples because being late and associated with a loudmouth is better than being a whiny little loser who never gets anything done in the first place.

 

[Gamisch]

Well creating a whole industry for one. Let's be real, NASA was a joke before SpaceX, and still is.

This is similar to Tesla. Everyone likes to sh*t on Elon for joining an existing company and not yet delivering ultra perfect full self driving. But without him putting pressure on the other automakers they independently deliver nothing. Similar to Toyota and racing: they only got off their ass when the heir felt embarrassed and told them to do it.

Elon's endeavors get crazy multiples because being late and associated with a loudmouth is better than being a whiny little loser who never gets anything done in the first place.

But he's also a highly controversial figure and perhaps even dangerous. His mingling with politics is simply not a good thing ,no matter how you try to frame it. It would be better if such an influential person would be more neutral overall.

Meanwhile there are tons of Chinese brands that put tesla to shame..both the US and Europe try to protect their auto makers ( for now) making it basically a cartel like construction.

And the self driving isn't just " not good" ,its actually hazardous AF

Regardless of opinion, he makes promises that he can't keep.

 

[craider]

I think the simple framing is that his political movements would not happen if he did not do them.

Do you think it's a bad thing that he bought Twitter and fired half of the staff?

I'd argue that the political machinations at Disney and Netflix are much more pernicious, despite being much more socially accepted.

 

[Gamisch]

I think the simple framing is that his political movements would not happen if he did not do them.

Do you think it's a bad thing that he bought Twitter and fired half of the staff?

I'd argue that the political machinations at Disney and Netflix are much more pernicious, despite being much more socially accepted.

Yeah, that's the thing. I dont understand why people can't simply say; "his business instincts are great, and yet he is a terrible person. "

I think its extremely harmful what he did to twitter, by making it a platform where degenerates get to push the limits further and further down the drain. Let's just say its doesn't help society and people in general to get closer.

With great power comes great responsibility. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out right from wrong, and he is consciously choosing the wrong side of history.

I'd wish he was a tad more empathetic towards the world in general. We dont need all the extra bs.

 

[craider]

So you think all the identity politics are bringing people closer together? Honestly I'm a bit baffled by what you're saying.

What exactly is so good about what Twitter/Disney/Netflix have been up to?