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Economy Tanking?

FutureSpartan

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GQ_Confidence_1 said:
You have to step back from the sitation, before you start believing...we'll all be in soup lines, it's going to take $1,000,0000,0000 to buy a loaf of bread, 20% unemployment, etc.

Look at a chart of the DOW over the last 20-30 years. The crash of 87, the crash of 90/91 (the banks went bust), the 98 crash, the tech bubble crash, etc.

I think the key to remember is wall street's fear is different than the man on the streets everyday fear.

What do you remember about life in 87? Life went on, people listened to music, etc.

What do you remember about 1990? 92? Life went on. I was in middle school in 92. Teachers got paid. Life went on.

98? Tech bubble? Nasdaq going from 5,000 to 2,000?

Life trickles on throughout it. Don't get sucked into the extremism. The American economy and way of life has so much momentum, it doesn't turn overnight.

WHat you hear on tv isn't an accurate picture of the country. They try to contort the country into a single headline or phrase. The country is too varied. It'd be like going to the mall, and seeing all the stores, the people, the hustle and bustle, the variety of people, and trying to contort it down to something finite. The world is not as finite as the media makes it out to be.

The more I think about it, most of what's talked about in the economy in the media is filler, it's empty. They talk about "terrible" presidents, Nixon, or something, Carter. But what was going on in 74 or 80? What were your parents doing? Life went on.

And the differences between now and 29?

-We have a much higher standard of living. More safety nets in place.

-The govt is stupid, but I dont think they're going to make the same mistakes as they did then.

I agree with the analogy of wall street....martin sheen vs gecko. The era of ibanking, "hedgies", $100 mil wall street whizes, it's over. It's not going to be true for todays 22 year olds.

Also, if you read books like Guns, Germs and Steel, there are other reasons why Zimbabwe or Angola, are the way they are. And why some countries are poor. American entreprenuerialism and capitalism is too ingrained for it to disappear overnight.

Deprogram yourself from school brainwashing, corporate propaganda, fear, govt propaganda, etc.

Critical thinking is a crucial skill.

For example, "they" constantly tell you, no one can beat the market, so don't try. But, why were people buying Lehman stock at $40 or $80, and now it's worth .002? Why would anyone buy stock in a company that did foolish things?

"They" push technical analysis and fundamental analysis to analyze companies. But if a company did obviously stupid things, what more would you learn from technical analysis or the fundamentals?

If you're a real estate investor and you bought a lot of homes that are now going bust, what good would it do you to analyze your past purchases? Or the volume of purchases? Or look at some ratio.

It's all stupidity, none of it is real. I'd read Jim Rogers for a good truthful take on the economy. And question everything. Nothing what "they" tell you is the truth.
So true....step back and put everything in perspective.
History has been replete with economic crisis, anarchy, tyranny, societal breakdown....to have gotten as far as we are today is truly amazing.

We should all be thankful that we live in a country where the majority of its citizens have at least a decent standard of living.

Governments, economic systems, societal institutions....they all come and go. Yet like GQ says, people still live on. Even in the most repressed societies, most people still find a way to survive and even prosper.

The power to overcome, or even accept, the adversity in ones life is a true mark of strength. The only variable in life is you.

We are far more capable of "crashing" "depressing" and "recessing" ourselves than what goes on in Wall Street. "We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us"

Good luck everyone
 

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SmoothTalker said:
Well, seems the collapse has resumed today. I guess there were some bargain hunters out yesterday to bring the markets up again, but they've either thought better or been overpowered today.

Just out of curiosity, what happens when a regular bank (not investment) fails. I know your deposits are insured, but what about loans? If you have a car loan from a bank that still has money owning, and the bank completely fails, are you off the hook? Who do you pay it to if you keep paying?
No, you have to keep paying your loan. It would be the court if the bank disappears, or another bank if the original bank was sold.
 

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SmoothTalker said:
I have to disagree for the most part. Yes of course the media is sensationalist, but things are much worse than you seem to think.

While you bring up the tech bubble, that really wasn't that bad. In fact, that's part of the problem, the landing was far too soft because of the 1% interest rates and the skyrocketing real estate values that created the illusion of growth. (Economy growing from people spending money they don't have).

This time around we don't have either of those things to soften the blow, and the world economy as a whole is slow, which isn't helping. Not to mention at that time the country didn't have two wars to pay for.
I agree it was too soft, the FED was delaying the inevitable by cutting rates so low, and putting so much money into the system.

But end of the world talk is wall street panic. The market is a manic depressive. The real world is no where near as bad.

You think about all that's happened in the last 100 years...depression, WWII, Cuban Missle Crisis, Nixon resigning, etc. And things keep marching on. Music, and night clubs, people keep living. The variance in the saving rate, interest rates (they've been as low as 1%, 2% and as high as, 18, 20% in late 70's?). The variance in budget deficits and surpluses. The variance in trade.

Yet homeownership has been steady. Most people have jobs.

The latest collapses of the Wall Street banks has made me question the "standard wisdom" you get about stocks. It's all complete nonsense, why would anyone believe it? Looking at all these ratios, or looking at volume. Or the mortgage brokers. They made dumb bets, why would you have to look hard for something that's less important?

It makes me question corporate practices. How many companies imploding had naming rights to sports stadiums or sponsorships. Makes me question "marketing". Like Wamu, they try to be quirky and cool. Shouldn't you pay more attention to their balance sheet and their financial health (your ability to get your money back), than worrying about their marketing or some gimmick?

On their website right now, they say "Get Organized. You can get statements online saving clutter and trees". Gotta save the trees! Gotta be cool and environmental. While their stock is $2, about to go bust or get bought out. It's insanity.

You're being lulled to sleep with marketing jingles and images. People live in this hypnotic state, clueless about what's going on behind the curtain.

Makes me question the information you get, or don't get about stocks.

The standard wisdom is, you have a stock terminal or screen, and you're looking at stocks all day. And you use the same techniques on all of them. You click on Walmart, and you get the 200 day moving average, or a trend line. Then you click on Bear Sterns, and you get a trend line or moving average. But why would it be the same, they made terrible bets and were over leveraged. You're not going to pick up their decline (the stock went from $70 to $5 in a few weeks), using past analysis or trend lines.

And there's all these books on stocks, thousands of them, and they all treat stocks the same. Looking at the same trends, and the same analysis. They're at Barnes and Noble now, written by "experts", and it's all junk.
 

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Answers to many of your questions:

# Section 1: Three Beliefs (Time: 1:46) http://www.zshare.net/video/19010617883c750c/

# Section 2: The Three "E"s (Time: 1:38) http://www.zshare.net/video/18953975f1e911db/

# Section 3: Exponential Growth (Time: 3:07) http://www.zshare.net/video/190109319dd2d35d/

# Section 4: Compounding is the Problem (Time: 3:06) http://www.zshare.net/video/1901096929e37e1d/

# Section 5: Growth vs. Prosperity (Time: 3:40) http://www.zshare.net/video/1901095349d6c563/

# Section 6: What is Money? (Time: 5:55) http://www.zshare.net/video/19011538d2fc5dd0/

# Section 7: Money Creation (Time: 4:19) http://www.zshare.net/video/19011437533fcd32/

# Section 8: The Fed - Money Creation (Time: 7:13) http://www.zshare.net/video/19011579ebea1544/

# Section 9: A Brief History of US Money (Time: 7:14) http://www.zshare.net/video/1901443376684008/

# Section 10: Inflation (Time: 11:48) http://www.zshare.net/video/1901477400d7e35c/

# Section 11: How Much Is A Trillion? (Time: 3:28) http://www.zshare.net/video/1901407499b36ce9/

# Section 12: Debt (Time: 12:32) http://www.zshare.net/video/1901482094d424df/

# Section 13: A National Failure To Save (Time: 12:06) http://www.zshare.net/video/19014809603b9bd6/

# Section 14: Assets & Demographics (Time: 13:41) http://www.zshare.net/video/19077350b37e1826/

# Section 15: Bubbles NEW! - July 4 (Time: 14:10) http://www.zshare.net/video/19077499de8f135f/

# Chapter 16: Fuzzy Numbers (Time: 15:52) http://www.zshare.net/video/19077485c481ac02/

# Chapter 17 PART A: Peak Oil (Time: 17:52) http://www.zshare.net/video/19077639493604fb/

# Chapter 17 PART B: Energy Budgeting (Time: 12:15) http://www.zshare.net/video/19077198adbe9c3b/

# Chapter 17 PART C: Energy And The Economy (Time: 7:05) http://www.zshare.net/video/1907649878037906/

# Chapter 18: Environmental Data NEW! - September 12 (Time: 16:22) http://www.zshare.net/video/19077624c935cc81/

# Chapter 19: Future Shock NEW! - September 18 (Time: 8:02) http://www.zshare.net/video/190784364796ca85/
 
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