"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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E-mail?

ChocolateVanilla

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Hi everyone,

I'm a new poster on here, and I have a question about e-mailing. I met a girl and we didn't have the best rapport but I asked her for her # anyways and instead of giving me her number, she said she'd just e-mail me. I thought she wouldn't and was just trying to lay me off easy and I would never hear from her again. But she sent me a message just yesterday with some general greetings. So how should I approach from here? Most girls I meet just either give me their number, give me a fake one, or flat-out refuse, but I've never interacted with girls over e-mail.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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MrMike

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What I'd try to do is get her number through E-mail.

If she gives you her number, call her and set up a date.

If she refuses, ignore her. She's not interested in you, and you shouldn't be in her.
 

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If she didn't give you her phone number the first time it means the interest isn't strong enough. maybe talking online is her thing. I'd ask to see if she has a screen name or something, it can work almost as well as a phone number. I think there are actually some girls that don't like talking on the phone, maybe SN is the way to go.
 

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i've tried e-mail once, but i've never actually done it. I know how to get the "a", but how to i get the circle around it?
 
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If she lives with her parents then she doesn't want to give her number to 10 guys for obvious reasons -- so e-mail is more private! You can still game her but rapport is necessary -- after a few weeks ask to meet her for a function!
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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ChocolateVanilla

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Last Man Standing said:
If she lives with her parents then she doesn't want to give her number to 10 guys for obvious reasons -- so e-mail is more private! You can still game her but rapport is necessary -- after a few weeks ask to meet her for a function!
So should I just ask to meet her with my next e-mail? I'd prefer to get some interaction with her personally. Maybe interest is there but not strong? SO should I just talk with over the internet for a while or go straight up for a meeting?
 

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she may just be afraid of phones (don't know how many girls are actually like that, but I myself don't like calling people much). Email is so much easier to pace.

Just email her back once or twice and then ask her to meet you somewhere for lunch or coffee. After the date, get her #. (If she doesn't give it to you at that point, blow her off.)

If she actually contacted you, it takes very little effort to respond and try to set something up. The date is the important thing, not the #.
 

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I can relate to this thread, I got the email of a girl in my class. I was hoping to develop more of a rapport with her, since I didn't know her that well. She however didn't email me back. She did have a cell # but was hesitant and shy to ask for it.
 

typical

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You wouldn't hesitate to ask for the number of a old lost friend now would you ?? Same principle here there is no harm in asking for her number so don't be scared the worst thing that can happen is she chucks a mental and says no.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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ChocolateVanilla

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Obsidian said:
she may just be afraid of phones (don't know how many girls are actually like that, but I myself don't like calling people much). Email is so much easier to pace.

Just email her back once or twice and then ask her to meet you somewhere for lunch or coffee. After the date, get her #. (If she doesn't give it to you at that point, blow her off.)

If she actually contacted you, it takes very little effort to respond and try to set something up. The date is the important thing, not the #.
Well right now I guess I'll interpret it as somewhat interested but interest isn't strong enough. However, what if she never respond to my e-mail that I sent back at her? Does that usually mean my response was the problem or did I never have a chance in the first place? Girls should just say no if they're not interested and cut the e-mail and messenger stuff.
 
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