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Dude swipes right on 2 Million Women, Gets 1 Date, 0 Sex

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As recently as The 90s, a fella like this would've soothed his urges by acquiring a stun gun and a van, soundproofing his basement, then making a few dozen tweenyboppers vanish while walking home from Baskin Robbins

Let's all be grateful the internet is around to keep gents of this ilk occupied today
I have seen around a gorillion of men of similar looks with looks matches.
 

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This is funny. When a human does something that DOESN'T work, human usually either asks himself "what can I do better to make it work", or stops doing this? This guy's problem is that he didn't realize that what he's doing isn't working and didn't try to improve. He didn't try to get better photos (a fish photo, lol, what a way to attract women), or work on his physique. He didn't improve his text game - just one date from 2000 matches is crazy. You should get at least a 10% conversion rate from a like to a date even if your text game isn't peak. Even with his photos, with how many swipes he did, he should've ****ed at least 20 women (1% like to lay success rate is a pretty low bar). He basically tried to drive a nail into concrete with his bare hands for 5 years, lmao.

Anyway, those of you who want to get an edge with little effort - use AI, some of the tools allow you to get super high quality photos (so you can get a dog photo, a party photo, etc) for 10-15$ with some time investment with photos not looking like AI at all and your face and body being the same more or less.
 

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It’s just a numbers game bruh.

All joking aside, some guys just CAN’T get ONS or casual sex. They have no business on Tinder. Just like some guys due to looks and/or age might have no chance at a club.

For some guys, a gf is the most they can hope for, and even that might be a tall order.
 
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It’s just a numbers game bruh.
This is the kind of man that proves that whole "numbers game" thing as false.

some guys just CAN’T get ONS or casual sex. They have no business on Tinder.

For some guys, a gf is the most they can hope for, and even that might be a tall order.
His looks are not what women would consider appealing for short term sex.

He might be considered more appealing in the context of a longer term relationship. It would be difficult for him to find a long term girlfriend using Bumble or Hinge (the more relationship oriented apps). If he were to get a girlfriend, he would likely need for it to happen through his social circle.

I agree with you that it would be a tall order for him to get a girlfriend in this mating environment.
 

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This is the kind of man that proves that whole "numbers game" thing as false.



His looks are not what women would consider appealing for short term sex.

He might be considered more appealing in the context of a longer term relationship. It would be difficult for him to find a long term girlfriend using Bumble or Hinge (the more relationship oriented apps). If he were to get a girlfriend, he would likely need for it to happen through his social circle.

I agree with you that it would be a tall order for him to get a girlfriend in this mating environment.
Yeah and it sucks if those guys just want to “scratch an itch” or “break a dry spell.” They’re kind of forced to go the relationship route (even if they aren’t that into a chick) to have any unpaid sex.

There’s this misconception that any guy can pull a quickie if he lowers his standards enough. But it doesn’t work that way.
 
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it sucks if those guys just want to “scratch an itch” or “break a dry spell.” They’re kind of forced to go the relationship route (even if they aren’t that into a chick) to have any unpaid sex.
A mid-tier looking, beta male is at best a boyfriend in this mating environment. Some of them can retain LTRs for a while and even get into marriages that last 10+ years. The marriages are often subpar to mediocre at best. These betas in longer term relationships are at least getting occasional pussie.

It is tough for men below a 6-6.5 range in looks to get short term sex.

There’s this misconception that any guy can pull a quickie if he lowers his standards enough. But it doesn’t work that way.
Tell me why you don't think guys can get fast, short term sex by lower standards.

Top guys do this regularly. It's common for an 8.5+ guy to use a swipe app and find short term sex with a 5.5 - 7 range woman (average to slightly cute).

You don't think mid-tier (men in the 5-7 range) can pull off going for lower tier looks women for short term sex.

Do you think mid-tier men can lower standards on looks to get into an LTR with a subpar woman?

One of my college classmates married a subpar looking woman after his first divorce from a mediocre at best looking woman. He also had multiple kids with that mediocre at best ex-wife. He had the baggage of the ex-wife who disliked him, multiple kids, Norwood Stage III, and slightly overweight. His looks dropped off big time during his marriage.
 

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A mid-tier looking, beta male is at best a boyfriend in this mating environment. Some of them can retain LTRs for a while and even get into marriages that last 10+ years. The marriages are often subpar to mediocre at best. These betas in longer term relationships are at least getting occasional pussie.

Agree.

It is tough for men below a 6-6.5 range in looks to get short term sex.

Agree.

Tell me why you don't think guys can get fast, short term sex by lower standards.

I’m concerned about making a blanket statement that all guys, including the 4 to 5 guys, can pull short term sex if they lower their standards.

Top guys do this regularly. It's common for an 8.5+ guy to use a swipe app and find short term sex with a 5.5 - 7 range woman (average to slightly cute).

Absoutely.

You don't think mid-tier (men in the 5-7 range) can pull off going for lower tier looks women for short term sex.

I think there is a realistic looks “floor” below which a guy can’t pull a short term lay at all, even if he lowers his standards.

Do you think mid-tier men can lower standards on looks to get into an LTR with a subpar woman?

I would estimate this floor at say 5.5. This is just a theory of mine. A 4 to 5 guy probably can’t even get his looks match for a quickie. (We also assume that neither sex will F a sub 4 because they can’t get hard/wet for that.)

The 4 to 5 chick will go online and hang in there for a 5.5+ guy. With all the male thirst, she can easily do this.


One of my college classmates married a subpar looking woman after his first divorce from a mediocre at best looking woman. He also had multiple kids with that mediocre at best ex-wife. He had the baggage of the ex-wife who disliked him, multiple kids, Norwood Stage III, and slightly overweight. His looks dropped off big time during his marriage.
Agreed. I don’t think there is a looks floor for men for LTRs. I would argue that there is a looks floor for men for short term or casual sex.

I have no studies to back it up. Just a theory I wanted to throw out there.
 
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I don’t think there is a looks floor for men for LTRs. I would argue that there is a looks floor for men for short term or casual sex.
I think men's looks are judged more harshly than in the past.

In the past, women obtained fewer bachelor's degrees and didn't pursue white collar work as much. This changed in the late 20th Century. The early Millennial females that I grew up with during the 1990s and early 2000s were all preparing to work. When women work, they don't need a male provider with a slightly above average job anymore (something like a $75,000 - $149,999 per year job).

If a woman doesn't pursue education or work now, she can get government benefits and doesn't need a man for money either.

If a man is playing money game now, he needs more income to show off to impress women.

Since women don't need men as much on money now, looks are more important. Women are seeking the 6'0"+, fit/muscular man more frequently. Many have called this man 'Chad Thundercocck' or 'Chad' online.

A mid-tier looking man with a basic job (white or blue collar) is often going to fall through the cracks and get little attention.

Let's also keep in mind that this man was competing for women on swipe apps. Swipe apps are where women experience the most abundance. Tinder is 75% male (sausage fest) and Bumble/Hinge are only 65% male (a slightly less bad sausage fest).
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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The guy should change his profile photos for something more fun than fishing (which is borefest for women).

Looks is not as important in guy if he goes for mid-tier females (not every single one wants to spin c-carousel in endless mode looking for chad or tyrone) - he could easily get 4.5/10 to 5/10 in looks female (so possibly even 6/10 in overall SMV) if he would change his profile photos, what he is wearing as well as description.

IRL game/connections would also suit him better.

Btw. 2 million swipes? Guy got hooked onto it like monkey branching girl.
 
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