"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Drama in a relationship: worth it?

abcd_z

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I've been getting some grief from others about how I handle relationships, so I thought I'd get some outside opinions.

Where do you draw the line between staying with a partner and breaking up with him/her? If he/she attempted to stab you with a knife? If he/she drained your bank account and blew it on frivolous purposes? If you caught him/her cheating on you? Where do you draw the line?

People say that all relationships have drama, and yet I'm in a 2+ year relationship that has no drama whatsoever, and other people using this system report the same thing.

If you could be in a relationship that had absolutely zero drama, would you want to be?

If doing so required you to be selfish and callous at times, would that tradeoff be worth it, or would you prefer to be in a relationship where you're a nice person, but there is drama.

Bear in mind that I don't think there are any right or wrong answers to these questions, I'd just like to know where you guys stand.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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abcd_z said:
Where do you draw the line between staying with a partner and breaking up with him/her? If he/she attempted to stab you with a knife? If he/she drained your bank account and blew it on frivolous purposes?
Well any of those would be a no-brainer for me. I wouldn't even have to think about it.

But I've been wondering about this in a more subtle way...as opposed to the blatant stuff you mentioned above, the ongoing level of non-next-worthy BS. Like being in a relationship where the girl is amazing and mind-blowing 65% of the time and somewhat of a pita the other %35. Worth it? Seems like the really interesting, stimulating, wild-in-the-sack girls always come with a toll to pay for it (emotionally unstable for example). Yeah I've been in perfect no-drama relationships before but those girls are usually duller and not as stimulating. Seems like a catch-22. Kind of bummed on the conundrum right now honestly...
 

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Define drama. All human relationships, whether work-based, familial, spousal, bf/gf, have challenges. the challenges simply differ in severity. The key to resolving them is how mature both parties are. If drama is too much, and makes it unhealthy to live/be with the person again, end it. It's that simple.
 

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Being stabbed or having your money spent isn't drama. It's criminal behavior. Big difference and if you don't see it you need to do some serious thinking.
 

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Two sides of the drama coin, if you ask me.
If doing so required you to be selfish and callous at times, would that tradeoff be worth it, or would you prefer to be in a relationship where you're a nice person, but there is drama.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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As far as drama, each of us has our tolerance line. I think most women function on a certain level of drama. In my past I'd seen some women that had low and some that had high. You're experience with little to 0 from your girlfriend is rare but not unheard of. So she never argues? Never does anything that causes you grief? Explain to us what you consider drama, because knife to the back or theft are way extreme behaviors.
I've also noted that my BS line, or Drama meter has moved around. Back in the AFC day it was pretty high, whereas today I've moved it to very low. First sign of drama and I'm pushing the woman out the door.
KC
 

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AlphaWhiskey: Yes, thank you. This is the exact sort of personal introspection I love seeing. Incidentally, is your nickname a Dollhouse reference?

ilikecharlie: To summarize, you're saying I should stick it out unless it becomes too much to handle. Where do you, personally, draw that line? At what point do you say "this is too much for me to handle, I'm out of here"?

Donjuanabe: Yes, I am aware that it is criminal behavior. It is also a good starting point. Most people look at that and say "that is behavior I wouldn't tolerate." Then you move on from there. "Okay, THIS is behavior I wouldn't tolerate, but THAT isn't." Where do you, personally, draw the line, Donjuanabe?

Johnnyventana: I'm not sure what you mean by that. Could you clarify your response?
 

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Knight's Cross said:
As far as drama, each of us has our tolerance line. I think most women function on a certain level of drama. In my past I'd seen some women that had low and some that had high. You're experience with little to 0 from your girlfriend is rare but not unheard of. So she never argues? Never does anything that causes you grief? Explain to us what you consider drama, because knife to the back or theft are way extreme behaviors.
I've also noted that my BS line, or Drama meter has moved around. Back in the AFC day it was pretty high, whereas today I've moved it to very low. First sign of drama and I'm pushing the woman out the door.
KC
Agreed.

"Drama" is subjective and each man has his limits. There are a lot of variables that affect those limits---how hot she is, what else she brings to the table, etc.

EVERY girl is going to need some level of drama in a relationship (which I would define as contention). If she is the rare one who doesn't, she probably gets it from her friends.

Drama is a lot like a fire, I've learned. It must be fed to stay alive. So if you respond to every little spark she shoots your way, there will always be drama. Learn the power of selective ignoring.
 

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What's wrong with no drama? I don't see a problem.

You set your boundaries and if breached, that is when you draw the line and call it a day.
 

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Colossus: So you're saying that every relationship has drama. As stated in my original post, I'm in a 2+ year relationship that has had no drama whatsoever, and other people using this system report the same thing. Are you saying that we are somehow misguided or otherwise got lucky? Do you believe that it's impossible that this system could do as I claim it does?

Also, (and I've been saying this a lot in this thread,) where do you, personally, draw the line? What behaviors are obviously unacceptable to you, and what ones would you let her get away with?

5string: Yeah, that's... that's pretty much the system I run.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Two sides of the drama coin, if you ask me.
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If doing so required you to be selfish and callous at times, would that tradeoff be worth it, or would you prefer to be in a relationship where you're a nice person, but there is drama.
abcd_z - I meant that if you are employing being selfish and callous at times, isn't that drama in itself? A reaction to undesirable behavior? A kind of game, if you will.
 

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Johnny: Oh, I see. No, I don't do drama, I just Next her for a week or more. That's what's seen by many people as selfish and callous.
 

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Historically, I've found that the more drama people like in a relationship, usually the more IMMATURE they are, the more BORED they are in their daily lives--------OR, the more bored they are in "you".
 

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Victory: Thank you for your input. What are your thoughts on the questions I raised in the original post?
 

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abcd_z said:
I've been getting some grief from others about how I handle relationships, so I thought I'd get some outside opinions.

Where do you draw the line between staying with a partner and breaking up with him/her? If he/she attempted to stab you with a knife? If he/she drained your bank account and blew it on frivolous purposes? If you caught him/her cheating on you? Where do you draw the line?

When you are bored with her.... Or when she consistently disrespects you

People say that all relationships have drama, and yet I'm in a 2+ year relationship that has no drama whatsoever, and other people using this system report the same thing.

If you could be in a relationship that had absolutely zero drama, would you want to be?

Who likes to argue? Who likes drama? If you do you need some growing up to do

If doing so required you to be selfish and callous at times, would that tradeoff be worth it, or would you prefer to be in a relationship where you're a nice person, but there is drama.

You must always remember who will always have your back. and that is yourself. Being to nice only has negative consequences

Bear in mind that I don't think there are any right or wrong answers to these questions, I'd just like to know where you guys stand.
There ya go
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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If you're not getting any sex and she is not initiating you are dead in the water. Move on.

Sex should happen fast.

In my last 7 relationships we had sex on 2nd date on average:
 

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PrettyboyAJ: Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.

I think we probably see eye-to-eye on most things, but I am curious: you say "when she's consistently disrespecting you". Does that mean that occasional disrespect would be okay?

The responses I've gotten so far seem to imply that there's no hard and fast line (for most people). With that in mind, what affects whether or not you're willing to Next her for the occasional disrespect? For example, one response I've received is "length of time in the relationship". What other factors could change your mind one way or another?

Bigneil: I completely agree, but these questions are more directed at long-term relationships.

Johnny: Yeah, I do too. ^_^
 

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When it is a pattern of disrespect then that's when you drop her. When you get disrespected you need to check her and let her know wasup. If she is still disrespectful after that I'd just drop her before it gets worse.

Girls can rationalize and defend their actions like a mutha. I was watching some TV yesterday and this girl tryed to defend sleeping with her ex baby dady to her current boyfriend. She was saying she didn't do anything wrong and it wasn't her fault. This h0 is definately broken in the head.
 

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PrettyBoyAJ said:
When it is a pattern of disrespect then that's when you drop her. When you get disrespected you need to check her and let her know wasup. If she is still disrespectful after that I'd just drop her before it gets worse.

Girls can rationalize and defend their actions like a mutha. I was watching some TV yesterday and this girl tryed to defend sleeping with her ex baby dady to her current boyfriend. She was saying she didn't do anything wrong and it wasn't her fault. This h0 is definately broken in the head.
Word.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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