"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Today I went to mall looking to pick up women, 2 hours no targets so I walk around more, found one of my friend, he was with his girlfriend and there was another girl - Tammy.

when we first got on the car from friend of mine, we were sitting in the back. after I got on it after Tammy, I sit there with a small space between each other. She said "here" pointed at the empty spot so I moved over, I was sitting to her up close.

I show I am interested in her so I asked her about a couple things, until when she said something about my friend making out his girlfriend all the time. Then I said "do you want to do that?" she said "me? I don't do it much with my boyfriend" I told her "then you guys are not boyfriends/girlfriends" she then said "well we've been with each other for 2 years and live together"

I was shocked and rejected, I tried to keep my cool but I end up pretending I was throwing garbage and sit on the other side of her.

Later on I pretend like nothing happened so I keep the casual conversation. Whenever I try to walk beside her she always walk away,,,it didn't happen before I asked her "do you want to make out" question, I guess that's what I did wrong


I practiced to talk to this hot chick that I thought that would never talk to me, she was not really interested in me at beginning but she always talk to me first...

I feel more confidence now, I mean I can actually talk to a hot chick without being nervous. even though I didn't get her number or anything, I knew where I did wrong. I acted desperate because somehow I felt that was the funny thing to say
 
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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TheInfamousCBear

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Originally posted by tom121


I show I am interested in her so I asked her about a couple things, until when she said something about my friend making out his girlfriend all the time. Then I said "do you want to do that?" she said "me? I don't do it much with my boyfriend" I told her "then you guys are not boyfriends/girlfriends" she then said "well we've been with each other for 2 years and live together"

You should of not made that comment about them not being togther...After that sh1t she said about the boyfriend, you should of took the convo somewhere else, just to show that what she said didnt bother you...You shouldnt try to be ****y unless you are confident enough to do it cause youll come off funny...
 

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You moved to fast. I mean min after you met her you asked her to make out with you? I mean, she asked you to sit next to her, take it one step at a time.
 

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Ok, I can't tell if you were trying to be serious or C+F with the "do you want to do that?" but either way it was a bad call. I don't care if you've known the girl for 2 minutes or 2 years, you don't ASK to make out with her, you know when the time is right and you go for it. Now in your case, if you just went for it you would've just gotten a slap in the face because this girl was not into you.

Moral of the story? Learn how to judge interest better.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Originally posted by Interpol
Ok, I can't tell if you were trying to be serious or C+F with the "do you want to do that?" but either way it was a bad call. I don't care if you've known the girl for 2 minutes or 2 years, you don't ASK to make out with her, you know when the time is right and you go for it. Now in your case, if you just went for it you would've just gotten a slap in the face because this girl was not into you.

Moral of the story? Learn how to judge interest better.
and another moral of the story? stop being desperate, it shows. especially with what just happened now
 

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she looked like she wanted to make out with me,,, I guess I ruined it by asking her, should've just went for it, I either get rejected or slaped knowning that I just kissed a hot girl :D
 

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props for the initiative. at least you have something to work with.
 

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Originally posted by DeathDealer
too desperate.
Yup.

Maybe this belongs in the High School Forum...I dunno if it's common among girls your age to just make out with random guys when they ask.

Personally, I would NEVER just straight-up ask a girl if she wants to make out. You just MET this girl. If you have to outright ASK her if she wants to make out, then the answer is going to be "no"...not only that, you are going to creep her the f*ck out. That's why she was avoiding you. That's why she made up some BS story about living with a boyfriend for two years at age 18.

If your goal was to build up confidence in talking sexually to strange women, then that's ONE way to do it. ( :eek: ) But if you actually planned on getting with this girl...when you ASK a girl outright within two minutes of knowing her if she "wants to make out", you may as well ask her, "how much?" because you're treating her like a slvt wh0re.

If she had been alone and not there with friends, you may well have gotten your ass slapped or maced for that one.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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