"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Does she want to date me?

English_Bloke

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Okay so I want to go out with this girl. She is a 9 and has it all going for her, simply people think shes an angel.

Anyway tonight I got some time alone with her, got dinner at a nice place and we talked ALOT. And oh my god she talked. But it was good stuff that I was hearing:

Her: "I dont want you to take this the wrong way, but you know I was jealous when I heard she liked you"

Her: "He looked ok in his suit (her HC date) but you looked amazing at homecoming"

And then she talked about relationship stuff like first kiss etc. I felt some cool vibes going on, some teasing and stuff. I didnt react to her statments in an AFC way. Overall had a good night.

I ended the night ok, kiss on the cheek and plans for next weekend. I was questioning lip kiss - kinda wishing i tried it..?

Is this enough to ask her out on? Im just checking because I think this is one of my first situations where I think I nailed it.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

DJ4Real

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I don't have to hit ya in the head with a brick do I? Yeah, she likes you. I think you might have messed up by making plans immediately after the date. And, that kiss, what was that??? A meaningful kiss is usually on the lips and it signals for relationship. But, slow your role! I think you have a chance with this girl, but don't mess up.

Good Luck:cool:
 

kev me723

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do NOT ask her out yet. As a rule, i'll date a girl for maybe 2-3 weeks before making it official, depending on the situation. I didn't ask my current gf out until we had been seeing eachother for about a month and we had f*cked around quite a bit.

It's your call, I would say go for the lip kiss, if you can get to making out, great. The physical part comes before the relationship.. don't get confused or you'll be beating off a lot. After that, ask her out when the time is right. (My personal way is asking her out as we're making out) should work every time
 

Phat

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Man hook up with her for a couple weeks.. then ask her out. You havn't even kissed her on the lips yet..
 
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