"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Does it really get harder girls as they get older, but easier for us guys as we age?

zekko

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Ihateinitiatingalot7 said:
true, although most of the hot, good-looking, girls in their late teens and early 20's, i see them dating guys around their age and they look like they are in great shape, good-looking, are jocks, military guys(especially marines), and people argue all the time that women are not as visual as men, i guess there are some exceptions.
Most people date around their own age. But the older you get the less tied to age you are. People in their late teens and early 20s are a unique set of people, they're almost caught between adolescence and adulthood. Many in this group are still living at home, or going to school. Once you get to "real" adulthood, age starts to matter less, because everyone is just "adults".

No one has said women aren't visual, just that they're not as visual as men. And men are very visual.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Kerpal:
Old women can get young men easily, I rarely see an older man with a younger woman. Young women want to **** hot young guys with six packs and big biceps, not old men, plus there's a huge stigma against younger woman/older man couples while older woman/younger man couples are encouraged. I recently had a 21 year old girl tell me that I'm "too old for her". I'm 25.
Older women categorize younger men as just for fun, but the men with accrued resources, social status, and experiences, the men they would settle down with, are more interested in younger women. The preferred optimal age by young girls is men two years older than them, and the majority of young girls are not interested in significantly older men, but about one in five girls are hardwired to be open for gaming, although the greater the age difference the tighter game you need.
 

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I want to add two things:

1. Women do have an expiration date, as when they smash into the wall of undesirability, forevermore invisible to the men they desire, but men have no comparable expiration date, no biological clock, provided if he remains in shape and keeps his life together.

2. The way to game younger girls is to pre-emptively frame things that she is too young for you. If she is interested, she will try to qualify herself to you that she is worldly enough.
 

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Younger men have some advantages over older men if they know what they're doing, but women fall much harder than men as they get older.
 

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A lot of this cougar stuff is women trying to exert their newly won power, many studies confirm many advantages to the older man younger women scenario and what the cougars are attempting to do is turn the tables. However studies have confirmed no real advantages to younger guys hooking up with older women. Maybe for flings, in terms of long term relationships, the older male younger female scenario is one of the best combinations because it has been proven that it does in fact work.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Deep Dish said:
2. The way to game younger girls is to pre-emptively frame things that she is too young for you. If she is interested, she will try to qualify herself to you that she is worldly enough.
What works for me is simply ignoring it. I honestly do not care about age, I just don't believe it matters. If there's attraction, there's attraction. I find that for the most part, if you don't care about it, she won't care about it. Just treat her like any other girl. If she feels the vibe that it doesn't matter to you, chances are it won't matter to her.

That would probably be hard for a lot of guys here because they seem to be very hung up on age.

If the girl brings it up, I just make a joke out of it. Agree and amplify, or you can do like Deep Dish says and frame it like she's too young for you. But as soon as I make the joke, I drop it, because it's genuinely not important to me.
 
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