"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Does anyone here actually like "talking" to women?

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Well if those are the women you're interested in, then wouldn't it be self-explanatory that you enjoy talking to them?
Even then, how many times do I run into those women? The basic b!tches is the norm. So I basically cut out a large chunk of women because they aren't willing to be unique.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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For me to enjoy talking to a woman she either needs to have above average intelligence and give-a-d@mn about the world compared with most other women, and/or, she needs to have the same type of humor as me or pretty darn close. I can work with one or the other. If she has neither then she is not worth my time.
 

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Regarding approaching women, there is a universal indicator of high probability of success:

Her smile is her invitation to you.

If a woman smiles at you or gives you an extra-long look, she is inviting you to approach her and it's Game On.

In my opinion it makes no sense whatsoever to even bother with random women who don't give the "come hither" signal. This usually ends up contrived and strained. Women feel this and they reject because of it.

The way it works by nature is that the hunter hunts around, the prey shows a feminine sign of weakness or submission, and the game is on. This is nature and this will never change. I advise men to forget about approaching women who haven't shown interest. All this does is makes you feel like a failure and makes it appear to you that halfway decent women are scarce.

A man can never be universally attractive like a woman can. Men appeal to a certain subset of womankind because women respond by instinct and emotion. We men respond mostly to the physical. Therefore a woman can appeal to almost all men but a man cannot appeal to most women; only a subset. You'd be surprised how many women would have no interest whatsoever in Brad Pitt. These are the quality women who are looking for a man's substance. Why not be that man to her?

Go out on the prowl, and go after only the subset of women who send a nonverbal invitation to you. Your success rate will soar and your confidence will rise exponentially.

While implementing this strategy, be sure to clearly reject women with an air of disgust who are acting in any way that you disapprove of. Every man should get used to rejecting women. This is not to be mean, but rather to increase your confidence and normalize your view of yourself in relation to women. We need to flip the script back to what nature demands, which is men unapologetically stepping up in the world as authorities and rulers of the world.

Our weak forefathers in the 60's on down the line showed weakness and fear in the face of a handful of loudmouth feminists in the media, and college girls who were injected with feminist poison. We are here to normalize male/female dynamics. Massive numbers of early feminists have mellowed and turned their backs on feminism. This is because they develop a capacity to think and reason to some degree as they age. We men are the reasoners and the authority of the world.

Every normal woman wants a man who is dominant. Again, this is nature. Look for those little smiles and lingering looks and any other indicators of interest and forget about the neutral and negative ones. This will accomplish 75% of your work for you.
 

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Lol, it occurs to me that this forum has gone from one extreme to another. From
"The secret of the DJ is that he loves women"
to
"The secret of the DJ is that he hates women".
 

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Lol, it occurs to me that this forum has gone from one extreme to another. From
"The secret of the DJ is that he loves women"
to
"The secret of the DJ is that he hates women".
The secret of the DJ is he loves himself and he is not desperate.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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The way it works by nature is that the hunter hunts around, the prey shows a feminine sign of weakness or submission, and the game is on. This is nature and this will never change. I advise men to forget about approaching women who haven't shown interest. All this does is makes you feel like a failure and makes it appear to you that halfway decent women are scarce.
I always find this funny - it seems pretty delusional to me to think of yourself as a "hunter" of prey who signal that they want you to approach. That means the "prey" is actually either an ambush predator/parasite in camouflage/aggressive mimicry, or at best a symbiont and certainly no prey. Especially when you take into account that a normal use of those signals in for example a club is to benefit the woman at the expense of the man's time/effort/resources, it looks more like the man is prey.
 
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I always find this funny - it seems pretty delusional to me to think of yourself as a "hunter" of prey who signal that they want you to approach. That means the "prey" is actually either an ambush predator/parasite in camouflage/aggressive mimicry, or at best a symbiont and certainly no prey. Especially when you take into account that a normal use of those signals in for example a club is to benefit the woman at the expense of the man's time/effort/resources, it looks more like the man is prey.
imagine an animal that feeds on parasites that like to feed on them
 

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Lol, it occurs to me that this forum has gone from one extreme to another. From
"The secret of the DJ is that he loves women"
to
"The secret of the DJ is that he hates women".
Put those in the middle and go with "The secret of the DJ is that he understands women" . but let's face it. The more you learn about them the more difficult it becomes to like them. Right?
 

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The more you learn about them the more difficult it becomes to like them. Right?
I haven't thought of women as being loyal since my early 20s, so I really haven't changed my opinion of them much. It's the old don't hate a lion for acting like a lion thing. Women have their good points, I enjoy their company.
 

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I always find this funny - it seems pretty delusional to me to think of yourself as a "hunter" of prey who signal that they want you to approach. That means the "prey" is actually either an ambush predator/parasite in camouflage/aggressive mimicry, or at best a symbiont and certainly no prey. Especially when you take into account that a normal use of those signals in for example a club is to benefit the woman at the expense of the man's time/effort/resources, it looks more like the man is prey.
It's a simplified metaphor. That should be obvious. It is a game.

Men hunt and usually men initiate. Wise is the man who sets his sites on women who are friendly to him. Many men go after women who are either openly hostile or neutral. They are taught that good "game" will turn her around. This is counter-productive and causes frustration. Such women are undeserving of his attention.

Don't take it so literally.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Put those in the middle and go with "The secret of the DJ is that he understands women" . but let's face it. The more you learn about them the more difficult it becomes to like them. Right?
As a whole, yes, but also the more you understand them, the easier it is to separate the wheat from the chaff.
 

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It's a simplified metaphor. That should be obvious. It is a game.

Men hunt and usually men initiate. Wise is the man who sets his sites on women who are friendly to him. Many men go after women who are either openly hostile or neutral. They are taught that good "game" will turn her around. This is counter-productive and causes frustration. Such women are undeserving of his attention.

Don't take it so literally.
This is so true.

Its really desperate to chase people who don't naturally like you.
 

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It's a simplified metaphor. That should be obvious. It is a game.

Men hunt and usually men initiate. Wise is the man who sets his sites on women who are friendly to him. Many men go after women who are either openly hostile or neutral. They are taught that good "game" will turn her around. This is counter-productive and causes frustration. Such women are undeserving of his attention.

Don't take it so literally.
a fan of love at first sight huh?
 

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Not in the least. What in my history of writing here on SS would lead anyone to think I believe in love at first sight?
 

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a fan of love at first sight huh?
I wonder about this. Eye contact can create a very powerful connection with someone, I've done it a few times in my life before and have had it done to me as well. Absolute mindfvckery right there and it amazes me to no end because you KNOW that the other person felt the same way about you. Maybe not 'love' at first sight. However, there is definitely SOMETHING at first sight, and sometimes it just may be 'love'.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I wonder about this. Eye contact can create a very powerful connection with someone, I've done it a few times in my life before and have had it done to me as well. Absolute mindfvckery right there and it amazes me to no end because you KNOW that the other person felt the same way about you. Maybe not 'love' at first sight. However, there is definitely SOMETHING at first sight, and sometimes it just may be 'love'.
Its called sexual tension.
 

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Its called sexual tension.
No not sexual tension. There is a specific reason why I said 'someone' and not 'women'. You can form a brotherly bond with another GUY too. I'm not gay so I would not call that sexual tension at that point.
 

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No not sexual tension. There is a specific reason why I said 'someone' and not 'women'. You can form a brotherly bond with another GUY too. I'm not gay so I would not call that sexual tension at that point.
I know what you mean.

Last night at a super bowl party this girl's and I's eyes met. I've locked eyes with women when it was just pure sexual lust on both sides. But this was more than this. Our eyes locked and our mouths opened. She ended up sitting right next to me later in the night and we chatted each other up a bit. If she wasn't willing to hang out around so many guys I would have stayed interested.

Times like those are rare.
 

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I know what you mean.

Last night at a super bowl party this girl's and I's eyes met. I've locked eyes with women when it was just pure sexual lust on both sides. But this was more than this. Our eyes locked and our mouths opened. She ended up sitting right next to me later in the night and we chatted each other up a bit. If she wasn't willing to hang out around so many guys I would have stayed interested.

Times like those are rare.
They are indeed.
 

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I conversed with a teacher I banged, she told me how little money means to her, (since I am a student) but the same evening she managed to talk about how she dated an older guy with a lot of money when she was younger and now she desperately wants to buy a bigger apartment. Oh women.
She's maybe just being nice to you. Like saying she doesn't mind if you don't have a big c0ck if you don't.... but then lets it slip how she rode the c0ck carousel a lot when she was younger! :)
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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