Does anyone carry a cheat sheet?

[Charm]

It was a joke. Loosen up man. I have a cheat sheet; I wrote "don't fu(k up" on the palm of my hand, it seems to be working well... :woo:

On the other hand write, "Pimp hand"

 

[Fortunate_Juan]

On the other hand write, "Pimp hand"

HAHA!

I wonder if I could work in a "I keep my pimp hand strong" during a sarge... I may try it. :crackup:

 

[Fortunate_Juan]

I do see your point about the cheat sheet, but I still think that it's something that should be considered at home before you go out and sarge. Theory and tactics are thrown to the wind out in the field. Since we wont be using the cheat sheet for the rest of our life (I hope to god) it makes more sense to me to practice what you plan on doing, than it would be to practice with help.

I know the other side to this argument is similar to a trapeze artist practicing without a net, which is idiocy, I admit. But to counter that point, I would mention, that a bunch of guys on here need to stop treating sarges like they are 1000 feet off the ground without a safety net. That's all an optical illusion. I think they should be looking at the sarge from a whole different perspective, one where they are only 1 inch off the ground, which is the reality of the situation.

 

[mrRuckus]

I've reviewed a couple questions, topics of conversation and recent stories in my head before going out with a girl before.

It's a fail safe for when/if conversation dies and I'm nervous so my mind is a bit blank before rapport has been established. It just flows naturally after that though.

I'm the type of person who is always saying things like "i know i was going to ask you something but i forget now" so it's nice to have SOMETHING to say rather than staring blankly at her especially when she's still a bit quiet and unsure of me too and won't take initiative.

Then eventually the awkward phase has passed and everything is fine.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Who said anything about getting all the information necessary? A cheat sheet serves the purpose of providing helpful reminders and hints, not a complete guide book to success.

This is probably why there's always posts from guys saying "I got this far, what do I do now?" They only go out with a few hints without being able to pull it though. They start the game but come back here to find someone to finish the save.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

Actually having a "cheat sheet" will probably screw your head over. You're too busy trying to figure out the next move, while the guy who's just having fun will swipe the girl under you.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Actually having a "cheat sheet" will probably screw your head over. You're too busy trying to figure out the next move, while the guy who's just having fun will swipe the girl under you.

HEY!!! I was going to do that whenever I saw a guy with cribnotes trying to talk to a chick... Just scream it from a mountaintop why don't 'ya! :woo:

 

[Charm]

Actually having a "cheat sheet" will probably screw your head over. You're too busy trying to figure out the next move, while the guy who's just having fun will swipe the girl under you.

That is why there is a section on the cheatsheet for what to do when a guy tries to swipe your girl while looking at your cheatsheet. That section says, "Time to toss the cheat sheet."

 

[Bonez]

Damned good thread, and Fransisco, 9000 posts? What do you do with all of your free time?

Do you even go out? A cheat sheet is understandable to people that go out. People that stay in, well they post 9000 times to a site that encourages people to get out.

A reminder, hints thats what its for right charm?

I'm looking for the same thing, did you ever get this project finished?

 

[L777]

I think a cheatsheets are fine if you need some reminders and just remember not to let it fall out of your pockets while grinding a hor.

A good example might be:

* Openers:
Jealous GF
G-String
Who Lies More
* During Convo
Tease her
Build Attraction by Telling DHV Stories
* DHV Stories
- Cruise to Carribean, The band let me play with them on stage and then it turned out __FILL IN FAMOUS MUSICIANS NAME__ was on the same cruise and was watching in the audience and came up afterwords and told all of us that it was great and fun to watch! (made this up but you get the idea)

Sad, lame and gay. How can you call yourself a man if you have to script conversations with a girl....

 

[Sacratus Bellator]

Damned good thread, and Fransisco, 9000 posts? What do you do with all of your free time?

Do you even go out? A cheat sheet is understandable to people that go out. People that stay in, well they post 9000 times to a site that encourages people to get out.

A reminder, hints thats what its for right charm?

I'm looking for the same thing, did you ever get this project finished?

Fransisco is on the money, why are you callin him out? Wouldn't a cheat sheet be like cramming before a test which may help you in the short term but not in the long term. People shouldn't be looking for a band-aid they should be looking for a cure.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Damned good thread, and Fransisco, 9000 posts? What do you do with all of your free time?

Do you even go out? A cheat sheet is understandable to people that go out. People that stay in, well they post 9000 times to a site that encourages people to get out.

A reminder, hints thats what its for right charm?

I'm looking for the same thing, did you ever get this project finished?

Don'cha love it when guys who have so little going on for them and are so naive that they will attempt to neg someone and ask for help in the same breath. You've really gotta wonder how these guys integrate with society. Oh wait, they don't. That's why some of them ask for someone else to create a cheat sheet for them.

 

[CCKazi007]

Ever consider how pathetic you'll look if one of your buddies or the girls found that paper... the point of going out and actually talking to girls in real life is to get experiance so you wont' have to use this site and other materials. Cheat sheet is for lozers, your learn more if you crash and burn. If you keep it around you all the time you'll never learn cuz you won't force yourself to. I rather would get rejected then knowing I faked success because of a cheat sheet. But hey do what you want I love AMOGing fake DJs.

 

[Fred Da Head]

Ever consider how pathetic you'll look if one of your buddies or the girls found that paper... the point of going out and actually talking to girls in real life is to get experiance so you wont' have to use this site and other materials. Cheat sheet is for lozers, your learn more if you crash and burn. If you keep it around you all the time you'll never learn cuz you won't force yourself to. I rather would get rejected then knowing I faked success because of a cheat sheet. But hey do what you want I love AMOGing fake DJs.

(emphasis mine)

So, in your opinion, AFCs know more about DJing than DJs who use cheat sheets? After all, AFCs crash and burn much more often.

Your argument, while I understand where it's coming from, is bull. The point of a cheat sheet should be to remember the stuff so you use it and eventually it becomes internalized, and then you won't need this site and cheat sheets and all that. I see cheat sheets as training wheels: they're necessary for a time, but you have to move away from them at some point and then skin your knee (get rejected) and get better at it. Don't try to run if you can't walk.

 

[CCKazi007]

(emphasis mine)

So, in your opinion, AFCs know more about DJing than DJs who use cheat sheets? After all, AFCs crash and burn much more often.

Your argument, while I understand where it's coming from, is bull. The point of a cheat sheet should be to remember the stuff so you use it and eventually it becomes internalized, and then you won't need this site and cheat sheets and all that. I see cheat sheets as training wheels: they're necessary for a time, but you have to move away from them at some point and then skin your knee (get rejected) and get better at it. Don't try to run if you can't walk.

Actually coming to this site is the cheat sheet, do you bring cheat sheet to a highschool final exam? NO.. why? Because it's a oppurtunity to test what you HAVE LEARNED if you brought a cheat sheet to every test what's the point of taking tests? What are you going to do after you learned all the things on the cheat sheet? Make a new one lol well goodluck with that the whole point of going out and actually sarging is to get REAL LIFE EXPERIANCE SO YOU CAN IDENTIFY MISTAKES AND LEARN FROM THEM. That's just me if you like to cheat through everythin then go ahead. Also your suppose to READ the DJ bible and understand it first then come to the dicussion and ask quetion not addressed in the bible, after that you go out and try out what you learned. Cheat sheet for this situation is pathetic and stupid. If I saw a kid with it I would laugh and I bet girls would be really impressed of all the canned things you say to them.

 

[Bonez]

Fransisco is on the money, why are you callin him out? Wouldn't a cheat sheet be like cramming before a test which may help you in the short term but not in the long term. People shouldn't be looking for a band-aid they should be looking for a cure.

He has 9000 posts, and he's not in the dj bible.

A cheat sheet wuld be like being in the middle of the test and whipping it out and getting 100% because of it.

Thats not what I nor Charm asked for a "cheat sheet". Since I've been searching I've found hundreds of threads asking for the same thing, and the same kind of people saying "you don't need it". At the same time I see thousands of threads asking "what should I say". So for guys like fransisco who ask if people have no lives, when it is they who have no lives, I recommend bothering the people who ask inane questions which can be answered using the search button. I and Charm on the other hand have no where to turn, we have to make this on our own.

Charm, you haven't posted in two weeks, if you ever make it back on give me a shout I want to know how you've done on your project. I'm adapting a few bootcamps and making some cliffsnotes for myself in writing, and fransisco recommended I rip off the dj bible, but the thing is loaded with afc advice after people learn what confidence is anyways. I'll definitely be ripping from the WMS articles though, if thats what kind of stuff you're thinking of.

P.S. Sorry for not making 20 posts to accompany every point I make, I prefer to keep my posts to a single linear post without cluttering or perhaps decieving new posters with exaggerated reply counts. (hint hint don't read a single sentence and make an argument from it. The same breath means in speech, online and on paper people need to address points completely, so the person I'm referring to please start to address the subject matter requested instead of being an arrogant arse about it", and yeah its all in brackets so its only a n.b. not a annotation)

P.P.S. The term cheat sheet, like other terms are meant only as a GUIDE. If we titled threads "does anyone use a study guide" the results would be more along the lines of "shoudn't this be in the off topic forum?"

P.P.P.S. Having a person find the guide isn't a problem, its not even a challenge. The guide should be a 5 minute review for the next 24 hours, it shouldn't be a queue for what is next. Do you have any idea how hard it is to describe a SIMPLE idea to a group of guys who believe that they "get it"? I sarge dude, I WORK the freaking bars and clubs every night, but my memory isn't that great and I don't read the weapons of mass seduction before I got out every night. I'm also a "bouncer" as a part time worker, and "ground" dispatcher during the day, I get way more than enough social proof and social contact during the day, if anybody ever caught me with a "cheat sheet" I could BS my way out of it just as anybody who knows body language could.

P.P.P.P.S. Coming to this site is not a cheat sheet. The topics are specifc to the person, and not generalized to the people. "I sat down this morning and..." or "Here is my FR..." or "why does this happen to me..." the ideas are complicated, and my aim(and I expect charms as well) is to have a simple idea. Something you could deliver EASILY to a person saying "I have oneitis" or "Whats a good opener" just the IDEA of saying hi to a person is beyond some peoples reach and the simplest 5 pt font with the words 3s rule could make or break a true player. I hope you at least basically understand my points. If you don't please quote me or charm and tell us using our own words what it is that we are missing from our request that you don't understand. If it is everything you don't understand, quote us on everything. If it is is the subject or content, quote our original requests and highligh the lines which we can work on in asking for such help. Otherwise go back to helping the noobs understand what an iois and leave the players alone.

Excuse any spelling errors, I've been drinking for the last 6 hours since its my night off work.

 

[Sacratus Bellator]

He has 9000 posts, and he's not in the dj bible.

Most of the posts in the bible are epic posts. Something where a tip or opinion or an epiphany is proclaimed. He seems to give mostly advice, which is accurate, but not really something that can be put in the bible.

A cheat sheet wuld be like being in the middle of the test and whipping it out and getting 100% because of it.

Yes, you agree with me. And there is a reason why they call them cheat sheets, and why they are not allowed during most tests. You are not going to one day find your self in a meaningful relationship or with any greater understanding of the game if you use a crutch to get you there. Which is why there is a lot of the same question being asked in this forum (not saying you man) but I think it's because this site is the cheat sheet (at least for the ones who do absolutely no field work and all study) and some people get so involved with the "rules" they screw up their own game because they think of the principles and philosophies here are rules.

Now I understand what you're saying about the "guidelines" thing instead of a cheat sheet. I think though if one were made public it would do more harm than good, people would inevitably stick to it like it was a fact and end up doing something because "the card told them", then screwing it up and wondering why and pissing and moaning about the card "not working"


I think you would get much more out of guidelines if you wrote down and review some of your own stumbling points before you go out and what you can do to overcome or at the very least acknowledge them. Because spontaneity is not something you will get from guidelines but something you will learn as you screw up and figure out ways to adapt to the situation.

The card with some quick tips on them (at least in my opinion) will not make or break the player, it's the players ingenuity or lack of it that will do that.

I am very interested in coming to some sort of consensus, if you have taken any offense to my post, it was not intentional. I would like to discuss this as civilized as possible.

 

[Vypros]

You all are getting hung up on the wrong things. ALL of you.

First of all, if you are making a cheat sheet, you are NOT ready to go out and apply this material yet. END OF STORY. It has nothing to do with crashing and burning or success. The idea that you are creating a cheat sheet is you reinforcing your belief that you are not good enough yet to go out without a crutch.

WHAT AN INCREDIBLY DESTRUCTIVE THOUGHT!

It's not the sheet itself that I take issue with. It's the idea behind it. If you have to put your game down on note cards, then you are NOT being yourself! And let me stress to you that BEING YOURSELF is the whole foundation behind being a Don Juan. Being yourself and being natural is the WHOLE POINT.

But you shouldn't even be in the game until you can be natural enough to come up with a lot of your own stuff.

Remember the movie "Top Gun"? Anybody here ever watch it. Well, there is a scene in it where Maverick is being quizzed about the MIG (I think) and the girl (can't remember what her name in the movie was--Kelly McGillis is the actress) asked him what he was thinking up there while it was all going on. And Maverick said something that you all need to take note and make a part of your "game":

You don't have time to think up there. If you think...*pause*...you're dead.

Every Don Juan in this place needs to read that line. You can't be thinking too much. You can't be carrying cheat sheets. Why?

NOT BECAUSE IT'S LAME, BUT BECAUSE IT'S LIMITING WHO YOU ARE!

That's why.

Why don't you try a social experiment one night. Travel somewhere where NOBODY is going to know you. And just approach girls and say the FIRST thing that comes to your mind. The FIRST thing. Even if it's something sick like "I like to skin animals". Sure she's going to think you are a sicko or a weirdo, but who cares? You're are conducting an experiment! The idea behind that experiment is to force you not to THINK too much about what you are saying, because you thinking about it is LIMITING your potential, and causing yourself to talk you out of saying very natural things that would make you a very fun person!

So leave the cheat sheet at home folks. If you have to use a cheat sheet, then you are focusing on the wrong material here.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

He has 9000 posts, and he's not in the dj bible. ..

Since social proof is important to you, what have you contributed to the forum in comparison?

 

[THE_ADDMAN]

crutchs are fine, but only until you're ready to walk on your own.

dont get used to them.

write your cheat sheet with less, and less on it each time u go out, until its only a blank sheet. then its all up to you