"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Do you think some chicks are just really into old farts?

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I was reading about this guy that married a single mommy (via widowhood):
"I married one rule breaker and one rule follower," she quips, referencing her previous husband, Edwin Edwards, who died in 2021 at 93 years old.
The tray dedicated to Jan Alario's room got a lot of attention as everyone in the room is highly considerate of what John's 57-year-old daughter, who has Down syndrome, wants her room to be.

Jan Alario will have her own space downstairs, as will Trina's 11-year-old son with Edwin Edwards, Eli Edwards.
:eek::eek::eek::eek:
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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I know this pretty Russian chick who dates guys significantly older than her. She married a guy way older too (divorced now). We used to talk. She said that she likes old dudes. She even showed me the porn she watched and it was old man porn with young women. Its a real genre lol.

She think it has something to do with reverse daddy issues. She actually loved her dad a lot when he was alive. Maybe some subconscious Electra Complex stuff going on. Anyway she is a very functional human so it cant be that harmful.
 

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For some it's always the same story: either they want what other women in their social circle or immediate want, or what the media dictates. They don't know what they want. We ask ourselves too many questions.

Every year and moment of her life will want different things.
That's why there are marriages and divorces.

The only thing we can know is: Be the best version of ourselves and surround by people that are on our same boat.
 

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Yes, it happens. Jordon Hudson (Bill Belichick's girlfriend) is an example of this. She was into some other old guy before him. Jordon Hudson seems to like older guys with money.
 

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lol i've seen an old guy once making out with a hot young girl at a bar once. no idea how old he was but he had a head full of pure white hair and was somewhat round, kind of a santa claus look but with a mean face. girl must've been like 18-22. they were going at it outside of the bar and dude was grabbing handfuls of ass, ended up getting ****blocked by her friend lol.

i've sometimes seen girls giving iois to old guys before, i've sometimes questioned the looks or the intentions of some of the girls who had been around my dad.

no idea what percent of girls like old guys, but there's usually a market for anything, even if it's pretty niche.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I know some women who date significantly older men and they are basket cases. Stay away at all costs. If she’s dating a man x2 her age then she’s probably insane. Even if she’s 30 and he’s 60.

These are the ones who were sexually assaulted by an older man when they were a teenager or a kid. A lot of pornstars fall into this category which makes them incredibly difficult to date let alone be friends with. This is also why they tend to not have any friends.
 

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I know some women who date significantly older men and they are basket cases. Stay away at all costs. If she’s dating a man x2 her age then she’s probably insane. Even if she’s 30 and he’s 60.

These are the ones who were sexually assaulted by an older man when they were a teenager or a kid. A lot of pornstars fall into this category which makes them incredibly difficult to date let alone be friends with. This is also why they tend to not have any friends.
So you're saying I should limit myself to women my age? :eek::eek:
 

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i know many cases of this. its ok. usually the ones that are complaining about it are the old women....

this is the first time i hear of men complaining about it. maybe the young men are jealous of the old farts...

if it works for the old fart and the babe, thumbs up.
 

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People do things for lots of different reasons.

If you can think of it, there is someone out there who is into it.
 

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So you're saying I should limit myself to women my age? :eek::eek:
I think you are about 60 at this point.

I'm trying to imagine a first date between you and a typical 55-60 year old woman in the United States.

Your 60 years on Earth and her 55-60 years on Earth have been lived differently.

You're a never married, childless 60 year old. That's uncommon for late Boomers/early Gen X'ers. The typical 55-60 year old woman had kids, got married at least once, and some of them might even have grandkids. Lets say you meet a 57 year old with 2 children who are between 20-30. She's not a grandmother yet but she has 2 adult children.

What are you going to have in common with her?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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maybe the young men are jealous of the old farts...
For
I was reading about this guy that married a single mommy (via widowhood):


:eek::eek::eek::eek:
Some are. That is, some are attracted to high-status or attractive older men. Generally they like a little older, but this is about “age gaps”.

I’ve discussed Revenge of the Silver Fox several times.


You're a never married, childless 60 year old. That's uncommon for late Boomers/early Gen X'ers. The typical 55-60 year old woman had kids, got married at least once, and some of them might even have grandkids. Lets say you meet a 57 year old with 2 children who are between 20-30. She's not a grandmother yet but she has 2 adult children.
I assume such a woman would be very put off by his womanless status.
usually the ones that are complaining about it are the old women....
I want all women who whine about age-gap relationships should tell their age and the guy’s age in their first relationship. I suspect a whole lot of cringe-worthy information (involving criminality) would be revealed.
 

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I assume such a woman would be very put off by his womanless status.
That's likely. 55-60 year old women today would not be accustomed to dealing with a 60 year old never married, childless man.

15-20 years in the future, when the Millennial generation gets to ages 55-60, female childlessness will be more common. It wouldn't be considered as odd at that point to be a 60 year old childless male. However, the majority of 55-60 year old women in 2045 will have had a child, though a smaller % of the population than 55-60 year old women in 2025.
 

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I know some women who date significantly older men and they are basket cases. Stay away at all costs. If she’s dating a man x2 her age then she’s probably insane. Even if she’s 30 and he’s 60.

These are the ones who were sexually assaulted by an older man when they were a teenager or a kid. A lot of pornstars fall into this category which makes them incredibly difficult to date let alone be friends with. This is also why they tend to not have any friends.
I (and most people) know women who date in their age range and who are basket cases. I also know couples with large age gaps who've been together for long time and seem to be doing well. (Zan Perrion - seduction guru, 26yrs age gap, been together for 12yrs or so, Jason Statham, 20yrs age gap, been together since 2010, Charlie Chaplin had a 36yrs gap with his last wife and they had 8 kids and were married til his death, Dustin Hoffman has a 17yrs age gap with his wife and they've been married since 1980. etc etc) What does that prove?
 

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I look very young, I look 10 years younger, even though I have a masculine face/body.

I notice some older women of 15/20 years very attracted.
 

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I look very young, I look 10 years younger, even though I have a masculine face/body.

I notice some older women of 15/20 years very attracted.
That's getting into jailbait territory. :eek::eek::eek:
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I (and most people) know women who date in their age range and who are basket cases. I also know couples with large age gaps who've been together for long time and seem to be doing well. (Zan Perrion - seduction guru, 26yrs age gap, been together for 12yrs or so, Jason Statham, 20yrs age gap, been together since 2010, Charlie Chaplin had a 36yrs gap with his last wife and they had 8 kids and were married til his death, Dustin Hoffman has a 17yrs age gap with his wife and they've been married since 1980. etc etc) What does that prove?
A lot of mens issues come from the fact we want to settle down with someone with little to no life experience. Younger isn’t better, in fact anyone younger than you will require more mental maintenance especially in 2025 where everyone gets strange ideas about relationships.

You are only valuing a relationship by the time they are together. Is this what you value the most for a relationship?

Seduction Gurus sell snake oil. Listen to yourself and focus on improving for yourself. I guarantee you that I pull more than any “seduction guru” by simply taking care of myself, holding myself to my own standards, and being a decent human being.

You should be focusing on being the best person you can be. Not listening to snake oil gurus.
 
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I am a grown man and most of this message board are young 20 something’s still learning about how the world works. You’ve read a lot of propaganda as well.

When you get older you’ll know why young women will gravitate towards mature, sophisticated and experienced men.
 

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I am a grown man and most of this message board are young 20 something’s still learning about how the world works. You’ve read a lot of propaganda as well.

When you get older you’ll know why young women will gravitate towards mature, sophisticated and experienced men.
On the contrary, most members of the board are already pushing 40.
 

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A lot of mens issues come from the fact we want to settle down with someone with little to no life experience. Younger isn’t better, in fact anyone younger than you will require more mental maintenance especially in 2025 where everyone gets strange ideas about relationships.

You are only valuing a relationship by the time they are together. Is this what you value the most for a relationship?
Younger women are better. I would take inexperienced young woman anytime over experienced one if they have similar looks (minus/plus age factor) & "basic" intelligence lvl (minus/plus experience factor) as experienced female may be much more difficult in LTR than inexperienced one (and I am silent about other pr0s of this situation here).

However younger females are definitely not for the guys that require "emotional support" or "additional guidance" i.e. "second mommy". You date younger - you need to be able to provide such support to her and require not much of such support in return.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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