Do you think a man has to be quite wealthy to pull off marrying a tradwife?

[Borknagar]

Something that I have been noticing is that these gals don't marry the guy that's struggling bringing home the bacon.

Wealthy and stupid. The trad wife thing is stupid yet hilarious. The same men complaining about child support chasing after "trad wives" who don't work and just want to pop out kids. Doesn't make much sense. My ex wanted to be a trad wife and it was awful.

 

[MatureDJ]

Wealthy and stupid. The trad wife thing is stupid yet hilarious. The same men complaining about child support chasing after "trad wives" who don't work and just want to pop out kids. Doesn't make much sense. My ex wanted to be a trad wife and it was awful.

Why? Were you not able to man up and earn enough of an income to support the family on your own?

 

[Borknagar]

Why? Were you not able to man up and earn enough of an income to support the family on your own?

It's not always the 50s sitcom. There were things I couldn't deal with and the marriage wasn't stable. She didn't decide on this trad wife thing until much later. There's a whole lot more than one thing that can keep people together. Sure you can find a trad wife but there's a whole lot of other things you're going to want and don't want and since they aren't common it's essentially a unicorn.

Now if we got along perfectly and if she didn't go off the deep end then I don't know. I'm in my mid 40s now, divorced, and estranged from my family. Nothing to do with my divorce, only their lack of seeming to give a **** about my mental health while I moved to an unfamiliar town battling a divorce. That and unfortunately stuck in an unstable industry so supporting a family isn't something I have any business doing. Besides, quality of life > manning up. I've barely been around children and have zero intrest in fatherhood anyway. I always say the less people in your life the better.

 

[BaronOfHair]

It's not always the 50s sitcom

Yeah, THIS

and other works like it, were far more reflective of what married life in suburbia was like for most folks in 50s America than Leave It To Beaver ever was

If one wants to pursue The Trad Life, he's well-advised to not expect reality to resemble his fantasies especially closely

 

[Solomon]

Wealthy and stupid. The trad wife thing is stupid yet hilarious. The same men complaining about child support chasing after "trad wives" who don't work and just want to pop out kids. Doesn't make much sense. My ex wanted to be a trad wife and it was awful.

Nothing wrong with a woman wanting to be a trad wife if she understands what comes with it, and is willing to roll up her sleeves like a champ But when modern women say "Trad wife"

Trad wife= rich guy taking care of me, and paying for a luxurious lifestyle(trips, shopping sprees, fancy restaurants), and all I have to do is blow him every other night

 

[BeExcellent]

As noted previously in this thread, my son has a "trad wife". She just bore his first child, is breastfeeding, staying at home cooking, baking, cleaning and being a full time wife & mother. No goldigger vibes whatsoever. She is planning to learn to sew so she can make clothes.

 

[BaronOfHair]

As noted previously in this thread, my son has a "trad wife". She just bore his first child, is breastfeeding, staying at home cooking, baking, cleaning and being a full time wife & mother

Unions like these can be achieved, caveat here being that even among gals who wear The Trad Wife mantel, there exists a wide array of opinions on

-How many kids are desirable

-Breastfeeding vs bottle

-Homeschooling vs enlisting the services of high-priced prep institution

-Bringing in outside aid for housekeeping, even if only occasionally

-What constitutes "appropriate" swimwear, for both the missus and daughters who might come into the picture

Etc Etc

The onus is ultimately on the man who thinks he's a viable candidate for being a Trad Husband to lay out HIS definition of a Trad Wife to the chick he's thinking of walking down the aisle with, seeing whether or not she shares that exact same definition

OP has something approaching a point: Yeah, if you're not currently pulling in 6 figures + Or at least firmly en route to doing so, pulling off The Trad Life is going to be an increasingly daunting task, ESPECIALLY for those living in major metropolitan areas, who aspire for the woman to remain barefoot and pregnant

For many folks, this isn't remotely practical from an economic standpoint. The vast majority of women on this planet are going to have hold down some sort of employment. Even in nations like Saudi Arabia, more and more dames are taking telemarketing gigs and other vocations that can be done from home

 

[BeExcellent]

Unions like these can be achieved, caveat here being that even among gals who wear The Trad Wife mantel, there exists a wide array of opinions on

-How many kids are desirable

-Breastfeeding vs bottle

-Homeschooling vs enlisting the services of high-priced prep institution

-Bringing in outside aid for housekeeping, even if only occasionally

-What constitutes "appropriate" swimwear, for both the missus and daughters who might come into the picture

Etc Etc

The onus is ultimately on the man who thinks he's a viable candidate for being a Trad Husband to lay out HIS definition of a Trad Wife to the chick he's thinking of walking down the aisle with, seeing whether or not she shares that exact same definition

OP has something approaching a point: Yeah, if you're not currently pulling in 6 figures + Or at least firmly en route to doing so, pulling off The Trad Life is going to be an increasingly daunting task, ESPECIALLY for those living in major metropolitan areas, who aspire for the woman to remain barefoot and pregnant

For many folks, this isn't remotely practical from an economic standpoint. The vast majority of women on this planet are going to have hold down some sort of employment. Even in nations like Saudi Arabia, more and more dames are taking telemarketing gigs and other vocations that can be done from home

Indeed. My son & daughter-in-law are active in the Catholic church and they plan to homeschool the children. My son wants a "herd" of kids and is already working on having the income to support this traditional endeavor. He is a commissioned military officer, invests in the financial markets, is frugal/responsible with money, and seeks mentorship & education in business & financial endeavors. The military affords him some advantages, like base housing and utilities, and GI bill (he is working on his masters degree). He has excellent credit and does not overspend. Saves & invests what he earns while making conscientious choices about health, food, products in the home etc. Those choices come with benefits but significant expenses.

He watched me support the family on one income and he has a much better foundation than I did when I was his age. And I made expensive choices that he now firmly appreciates.

What many young men don't entirely grasp is that in today's world it is a luxury to have your wife at home raising kids and running the household. In a way it is the ultimate status symbol because it indicates, certainly in more bougie circles, that the man can afford it...he needn't say a word.

It confers a tremendous responsibility on the man and elevates his choice in a wife to one of the most important decisions he will ever make in his lifetime.

Few men take that choice as seriously as they should.

 

[BaronOfHair]

My son wants a "herd" of kids and is already working on having the income to support this traditional endeavor

I trust your DIL(who's providing the womb that'll incubate this herd, and the vijayjay that'll push them all out)shares his enthusiasm, BE. How many kids are they planning on anyhow?


"What many young men don't entirely grasp is that in today's world it is a luxury to have your wife at home raising kids and running the household"



No doubt it CAN be, so long as such a gal resists all temptations to

-Take up with the pool boy

-Slip cyanide into her hubs's cappuccino one spring morning


-Cash that hefty life insurance policy in, jet off to Aruba with said pool boy by time summer rolls around



"In a way it is the ultimate status symbol because it indicates, certainly in more bougie circles, that the man can afford it...he needn't say a word"

Yeah, I(and I'm sure others on SS)are on record acknowledging that marriage serves primairly as a status signifier, here in The Post-Industrial West https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/about-marriage.282085/page-3#post-3116191

For men AND women alike

 

[Divorced w 3]

Thank you @BaronOfHair. My DIL and son have me to consult with about the ins and outs of social navigation (they are both willing to phone & pick my brain; my son studies 48 Laws of Power as well....a book I gave him when he was in high school.)

They tackle life as a team. Anything I can do to support them in their goals I do....and fortunately they are both interested in an experienced perspective and have the sense to defer to it when that is the wise thing to do.

That's the takeaway here for me: Give your progeny roots, values, and wings.....and give them perspective if they ask (and be grateful your input is valued.)

They are launched into this world. And he knows to come here and read the content I've posited if something happens to me some day and he needs a little mom perspective.

Cheers

Be careful on the 48 Laws of Power. That stuff is either first nature or it isn’t. If it isn’t, it can backfire.

 

[BeExcellent]

Be careful on the 48 Laws of Power. That stuff is either first nature or it isn’t. If it isn’t, it can backfire.

I have that book literally at my bedside & I travel with it when I fly because both that book and Art of Seduction can be studied in short chapter bite sizes.

I intuitively know and practice the principles....so does my son....

But a reminder of why these things are principles is useful to keep one's ego in check and one's ambitions in the shadows....because there will be times when emotions run high and you REALLY want to say what you think....which might harm you.

 

[RickTheToad]

Something that I have been noticing is that these gals don't marry the guy that's struggling bringing home the bacon.

Depends it seems. Depends on what the girl looks like and what she's used to. If she's not materialistic and hasn't been run through from high school and college, then they may stick around. I think, many women look for ambition and the goal to be successful in whatever the dude selects to do for his life. Staying home and playing video games while working in Walmart; prob. not going to attract most of them. Maybe in Arkansas, but not metro areas such as New York, Atlanta, most of Northern New Jersey, etc.

 

[RickTheToad]

I have that book literally at my bedside & I travel with it when I fly because both that book and Art of Seduction can be studied in short chapter bite sizes.

I intuitively know and practice the principles....so does my son....

But a reminder of why these things are principles is useful to keep one's ego in check and one's ambitions in the shadows....because there will be times when emotions run high and you REALLY want to say what you think....which might harm you.

It is a great book. I have it on Kindle and Audible.

 

[Sega Genesis]

48 Laws of Power

Many of these laws are absolutely awesome! They're all listed in the link below.

I haven't gotten through all but...

One such law that I fully stand behind is Law 36:

Disdain things you cannot have, ignoring them is the best revenge

Remember: You choose to let things bother you. You can just as easily choose not to notice the irritating offender, to consider the matter trivial and unworthy of your interest. That is the powerful move.

Desire often creates paradoxical effects: The more you want something, the more you chase after it, the more it eludes you. The more interest you show, the more you repel the object of your desire. This is because your interest is too strong— it makes people awkward, even fearful. Uncontrollable desire makes you seem weak, unworthy, pathetic.

And Law 39:

Stir up waters to catch fish

Anger and emotion are strategically counterproductive. You must always stay calm and objective. But if you can make your enemies angry while staying calm yourself, you gain a decided advantage.

I'm definitely ordering this book!

https://www.nateliason.com/notes/48-laws-power-robert-greene

 

[plumber]

Be careful on the 48 Laws of Power. That stuff is either first nature or it isn’t. If it isn’t, it can backfire.

if a man is in tune it comes easy. of not, then not.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I have that book literally at my bedside & I travel with it when I fly because both that book and Art of Seduction can be studied in short chapter bite sizes.

I intuitively know and practice the principles....so does my son....

But a reminder of why these things are principles is useful to keep one's ego in check and one's ambitions in the shadows....because there will be times when emotions run high and you REALLY want to say what you think....which might harm you.

I’m just saying… there is a certain type of person these things are inherently natural to. Think about if you want your son to be that guy. Someone everyone loves in public but they go home after work and they say, that guy is a shark. Notice that every story attached to those principles is a street guy in some way, even Madonna. It’s one of those things where, if you know you know. Just saying.


Maybe though, as all situations have a caveat now and then, the greatest practitioner of this for the greater good was Dwight Eisenhower. Hell of a biography if you want to hand that to your son. Top 5 president and nobody talks about him that way. Kind of the point.

Amazon.com

 

[Divorced w 3]

And Law 39:

Stir up waters to catch fish

Anger and emotion are strategically counterproductive. You must always stay calm and objective. But if you can make your enemies angry while staying calm yourself, you gain a decided advantage.

I'm definitely ordering this book!

https://www.nateliason.com/notes/48-laws-power-robert-greene

How do you think @The Duke and I caught @RazorFvcko24 .. literally day one, telling him who his prior handle was got the ball rolling and then masterful work by Duke calling out his inconsistency in his writing and then it was just a pile on of Fvkco flailing around and the board seeing what was going on

 

[Divorced w 3]

if a man is in tune it comes easy. of not, then not.

Yes, but - these ideas are meant to acquire power through mirage tactics and hold it by fear. Those actions are transparent. It is incredibly rare to see someone employ this for the public good and when they do, it’s not publicized. You do really have to understand it to see it.

I don’t think it’s necessarily a good long term idea as a well meaning human to employ these strategies too often. If you want to excel in certain professional or pseudo professional situations sure, but people will and do see through these things. Otherwise, how would such a book have come to be written if not obviously visible to the greater public what one is doing with these concepts.

Refer to what I said about Eisenhower. He got all the credit but he tried his hardest as president not to.

 

[Sega Genesis]

How do you think @The Duke and I caught @RazorFvcko24 .. literally day one, telling him who his prior handle was got the ball rolling and then masterful work by Duke calling out his inconsistency in his writing and then it was just a pile on of Fvkco flailing around and the board seeing what was going on

Exactly! I wanted to mention it and how it was a perfect example of that rule working like a charm! But I wasn't sure if it was appropriate given @Dr.Suave had already banned him.

Anyway...

Assertively calling him out, remaining cool and calm (like the Rule states) while HE on the other hand slowly unraveled until he eventually completely lost his shyt and admitted the truth!

Utterly masterful Dw3 and you know I do NOT throw out words like that very often.

But it was quite impressive to witness.

P.S. I'm still confused about "Grok" and how it was actually able to determine VM was RR but that's for another thread I guess.

But awesome job, seriously.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Notice that every story attached to those principles is a street guy in some way, even Madonna. It’s one of those things where, if you know you know. Just saying

Agree with this^^ too. In my case, one might never know it by seeing and talking to me but I've always known there's a bit of a "dark side" to my nature.

It's why criminal law appeals to me so much and still does! Even though I don't work in the field anymore but considering going back in some capacity.

As for your son @BeExcellent this law stands out... is this your son? His nature?

Law 3: Conceal Your Intentions
Use decoyed objects and desires and red herrings to throw people off the scent

Hide your intentions not by closing up (with the risk of appearing secretive, and making people suspicious) but by talking endlessly about your desires and goals - just not your real ones.

You will kill three birds with one stone: You appear friendly, open, and trusting; you conceal your intentions; and you send your rivals on time-consuming wild-goose chases.

Use smoke screens to disguise your actions. This derives from a simple truth: people can only focus on one thing at a time. It is really too difficult for them to imagine that the bland and harmless person they are dealing with is simultaneously setting up something else

As Kierkegaard wrote, “The world wants to be deceived.”