Do you think a man has to be quite wealthy to pull off marrying a tradwife?

[MatureDJ]

Add to that:

"Trad Wives", in the way we envision them today, have almost always been a phenomena exclusive to the landed gentry or(later on) the exceptionally rich

As someone else on this thread pointed out: It's almost impossible to support more than yourself on one income in any major metropolitan area. And very few guys have any desire to marry some hillbilly broad in South Dakota, who's indifferent to her man's bank account, but eager to have someone other than a half-brother sire her offspring

This cougar Dakotan was damn hot in her younger years, and is still rather banging in her cougar years. However, as a dog-lover, I could not possibly be with her, as she kills dogs that don't follow her commands.

 

[MatureDJ]

Estee Williams is one of the most well known trad wives with a social media presence.

She has 66,000 subscribers on YouTube and 113,000 subscribers on Instagram.

Her husband is an electrician. He wasn't super wealthy when they met and started dating.

I'm a traditional housewife and I love serving my husband

Estee Williams, 25, from Richmond, Virginia, is a self-proclaimed 'trad wife' who loves nothing more than cooking, cleaning and serving her husband Conner, 25.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It's possible Estee is making money as a social media influencer and not a true tradwife anymore.



This is mostly true. Most of these guys are guys who aren't religious. They aren't meeting the types of women who would be interested in getting married and becoming stay-at-home moms. The typical red pilled or black pilled male isn't a hardcore practitioner of a Christian faith. Most of them are infrequent attenders of church services of a Christian church or they never attend.

The active practitioner of a Christian faith is far more likely to have a blue pill ideology.

The typical red pilled guy is a guy trying to get laid at bars, from social media DMs, or on swipe apps. The kinds of women that he meets aren't even close to the types of women that would become tradwives. Most are women who also infrequently/never attend church, most have degrees, and most have jobs/careers.



This is likely true. There's a different mating subculture in stricter Christian universities. When I use the term stricter Christian universities, I'm referring to those affiliated with a Protestant denomination, Catholicism, or Mormonism.

Not all Christian universities have a strict enforcement of the sexual rules of Christian faiths. In the Dallas-Fort Worth area, both Texas Christian University (TCU) and Southern Methodist University (SMU) are technically Christian schools. Neither TCU nor SMU strictly enforces rules of Christian dating, like no pre-marital sex. Georgetown University is a well known example of a Catholic university that doesn't enforce the Catholic ban on pre-marital sex.

At these strict religious universities, people tend to get married at 18-22 because they want to start having sex. Men 18-22 have a high sex drive. Engagement or marriage by graduation (Ring by Spring) is a big thing at these universities. They are often starting to have kids by 25-27. The guys in these couples aren't the types of guys who ever make it to SoSuave or similar forums.

Estee is proof positive that a chick that is a little chunky can still be banging if she's got huge knockers.

 

[plumber]

Actually, I am at the first point in my life where I could consider WealthMaxxing - and will probably get serious about it if I can reach over $3M in net worth.

at that level you would have to also passportbro. 3M is not enough to really WealthMax in first world countries. if you did the passport bro thing with $3m, you will have all the action you can handle, of all different quality. the quality will be just up to your taste.

 

[MatureDJ]

at that level you would have to also passportbro. 3M is not enough to really WealthMax in first world countries. if you did the passport bro thing with $3m, you will have all the action you can handle, of all different quality. the quality will be just up to your taste.

I've been PassportBroMaxxing since the 20th Century.

 

[pipeman84]

Much of what is stated in this thread is true. My son is married to a trad wife. He is 22, she is 21. They met at age 10 and 9 in catholic school in a small town in the Midwest. Her family is Catholic. They started dating at 17 and 16. He went to college, she went to work after high school in pre school education. She is bright but has not gone to college. They did not live together before getting married. She lost her virginity to him while they were dating, then they later decided to refrain from sex until marriage. They discussed this stuff with me after they got engaged in the fall of my son's senior year in college.

He graduated in May, they were married in a beautiful Catholic wedding in June. He converted to Catholiscism and they went through the required premarital counseling that the Catholic church mandates. She will give birth to their first child in 8 weeks or so.

The bolded part is the first weird thing that stood out. Doesn't make any sense, it just smacks of religious hypocrisy.

The second is that they have barely lived one year together and she's already giving birth. Why such a hurry when she's only 21?
Why not live a few years together, build a strong foundation as a couple through time spent together and shared experiences and then start adding a new challenge, such as a kid.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Actually, I am at the first point in my life where I could consider WealthMaxxing - and will probably get serious about it if I can reach over $3M in net worth.

Pretty sad honestly. You have a rich wallet but a broke mindset. And no amount of money will fix that

 

[SW15]

Estee is proof positive that a chick that is a little chunky can still be banging if she's got huge knockers.

Estee used to be into fitness and she wanted to compete in bikini/physique competitions. She learned more about that world and decided it wasn't for her.

I don't know if pre-pregnancy Estee (she is currently 6-7 months pregnant with her first child) would have been considered even a little chunky. Her physique seemed average range to me.

Estee got breast implants earlier in life, around the phase where she was most interested in getting into fitness competitions.

This cougar Dakotan was damn hot in her younger years, and is still rather banging in her cougar years.

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The picture you selected of her from 1990 is blurry. In 1990, she would have been 18 as her birth happened in late 1971.

It's almost impossible to support more than yourself on one income in any major metropolitan area.

I agree with this. In Dallas, it would be very difficult to do.

In smaller to mid sized Texas towns, it would be easier to do.

 

[Solomon]

Estee is proof positive that a chick that is a little chunky can still be banging if she's got huge knockers.

Estee is not chunky she is pregnant, even in her before pics, she has nice thighs and ass, you have to have girth and penis bigger than 3 inches to pound women like her, IMO her body type is my ideal (before the pregnancy)

 

[BaronOfHair]

The second is that they have barely lived one year together and she's already giving birth. Why such a hurry when she's only 21?

There's a strong case for women not putting off motherhood. There's almost none for MEN in The Post-Industrial World to jump into fatherhood when they're barely out of high school. BE's son is an officer in the armed forces, so he has a solid enough income to bankroll a wife and child, but this IS NOT the case for most men today

98% of the male population will be 30+ before this becomes a viable proposition

 

[RangerMIke]

A traditional marriage is a contract. The man provides and the woman stays home raising kids and taking care of the household. If the man fails in his obligations, his fault or not, he has broken the contract.

Bottomline, there is no difference between a traditional woman and one that isn't. All women have needs (whatever they might be), and the man the fails to meet those needs will always be replaced. However, the biggest problem with 'traditional' women... if she doesn't have better options to move on to, will be 'loyal' and stay with their man and torture him because he isn't making her happy.

This isn't saying women are bad, and men are good, men have needs as well... and if those needs are being met... well things go sideways.

It's the human condition. Men and women always maneuver to get the best benefit for the least amount of effort. The only real difference between men and woman is that when it comes to relationships.... women are experts: men are amatures. Women tend to see relationships external-holistically, leveraging friends and family to her maximum benefit. Men are too egotistical and tend to internalize everything. When a woman is in a relationship that isn't serving her needs, she goes to friends for validation and support. Men, by and large, do not do this.

When a woman leaves a relationship, she typically has a support group to fall back on. It is a lot harder on women when women lose the support of the 'friend group', then if they lose men. Women care a lot more about what their friends think, then the man in their lives. If a woman's friend group doesn't like a man... he is done. In contrast if a man's friend group (which typically is just a collection of acquaintances) doesn't like a woman, the man makes excuses for her and tends to believe his male friends are just out to steal her from him.... LOL! which in many cases is true. It is very uncommon that someone is a woman's friend group will actually start dating a man that woman ditched. A man swooping in a taking a chick that dumped his friend is very common.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Something that I have been noticing is that these gals don't marry the guy that's struggling bringing home the bacon.

You need to earn enough income to support the household while the wife maintains the home and raises kids homeschooling and does not earn any money. That’s the tradcon framework. And if there is divorce, the man can be obligated to pay for the maintenance of lifestyle she is accustomed to.

 

[Manure Spherian]

when she's only 21?

That’s actually a good age to have a first kid provided the resources are there. We now have women delaying this unduly.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Something that I have been noticing is that these gals don't marry the guy that's struggling bringing home the bacon.

By the way, how the heck would any guy who’s struggling to bring home the bacon be a potential husband to any normal woman?!

With that said, we should bring back dowries.

 

[pipeman84]

That’s actually a good age to have a first kid provided the resources are there. We now have women delaying this unduly.

BE's son is an officer in the armed forces, so he has a solid enough income to bankroll a wife and child

Do you think she's mature (mentally and emotionally) enough to be a mother at 21? Is he mature enough to be a father at 22?
They barely lived together for 5 months before she fell pregnant, that alone speaks volumes about how mature they really are.

This has nothing to do with resources, teenage single moms and their babies don't starve to death nowadays.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Do you think she's mature (mentally and emotionally) enough to be a mother at 21? Is he mature enough to be a father at 22?

From her description of them, yes. There are actually young people, though seemingly few in number, who aren’t clowns, and have the material, communal, and family support to have children young. I have a hunch those two will be fine, if BE is telling the truth about her upper-crust status and thoroughbred stock.

 

[Manure Spherian]

They barely lived together for 5 months before she fell pregnant, that alone speaks volumes about how mature they really are.

By that notion they shouldn’t have had sex. Part of the responsibility that comes with sex is accepting children come from it.

Women historically had children young, before we turned many of them into spoiled brats. Not even long ago a woman in her early 20s had three or four children, a husband, and a home. And they didn’t drop dead from all that and not having the chance to have endless fun and thrills.

 

[Manure Spherian]

@MatureDJ if you don’t mind me asking, 1) how old are you?, and 2) What did you do or what happened to you in all your years that made you a womanless older man?

I’m asking respectfully.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Do you think she's mature (mentally and emotionally) enough to be a mother at 21?

For better or worse, basic biology(which dictates that a human female's late teens and 20s are the ideal time to bear offspring)doesn't give a flying hoot about a chick's emotional maturity. We agree completely, regarding the male half of such equations: MOST(Though certainly not all. I sincerely hope that BE's son is among the exceptions to the rule)men in their early 20s ain't fit for fatherhood

Maybe things were different in the early 20th Century-all eras prior, when average life expectancy was 47 and lower. Today though, the typical red blooded heterosexual man who marries and starts fathering offspring when he himself is barely out of his teens will be craving adventures outside of his current existence by time 30 rolls around, if not much sooner

 

[BaronOfHair]

A traditional marriage is a contract

Yep. Even today, the further one goes up the socioeconmic ladder, the more common it is to find folks who view marriage as exactly what it is: An investment. Hell, 1%ers and those close to this status STILL approach marriage as a joining of two houses, not just a union between two individuals

 

[pipeman84]

Women historically had children young

Yeah, because they didn't know any better AND that's what was expected of them. Historically women had very little rights compared to today and were basically baby machines.
There is no logical reason for the couple in BE's example to rush to have a child. If they had waited 3-4 years, then yeah, it would've been something else.