"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Do you guys have a hard time judging the age of women?

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I can always guess there age within 2yrs. I think it comes from dating women of all different ages and seeing how they age. Looking a millions of dating profiles with ages probably helped too. Look for areas other than their face to determine age. Like how their hands look, neck, hair, etc.
 

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Dear Max,
Yes very difficult,particularly with Asian Women...With Western Women,pretty much agree with Howie,look at their Necks...As they age,look for the tell tale signs of the Plastic Surgeon,the faint tell tale lines around the Ears and Neck...Very taught skin around the cheek bones...overly plump lips...With Women who smoke,they age incredibly quickly their faces wrinkle like prunes...My last wife has aged well but her two years older smoking Sister looks 15 years older...To compound matters she has had Plastic Surgery on the cheap,the cosmetician seems to have done to her face what Bomber Command did to Dresden.
 

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Many people in their 40s will start to have sagging cheeks/jowls, for me this is the biggest indicator of age aside from wrinkles around the eyes.

Younger women will have nicer skin as well
 

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I had this convo with an older plate a couple years ago who looked really good for her age. We somehow got started on the convo about younger gals looking older. The conclusion was a lot of diet, GMO/processed foods, too much partying, body positive movements with unhealthy lifestyles was a big contributing factor in younger girls prematurely aging or looking older.

Everyone wants convenience, fast, easy now a days. With that comes poor healthy lifestyle which prematurely ages you unless you're willing to work for it. Not many are these days.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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I swear I cant tell the difference between a woman in her 20s from a woman in her 30s or 40s anymore.
I mean that is a far stretch, 20's to 40's. You can certainly tell a difference. I'd say the late 20's to mid 30's is where it might be a bit deceiving because of makeup. But hands are a good indicator of age.

Once they are past late 30's, the body will def start to tell you a story. Maybe not with clothes on (that's another factor these days along with makeup), but you can tell.

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I mean that is a far stretch, 20's to 40's. You can certainly tell a difference. I'd say the late 20's to mid 30's is where it might be a bit deceiving because of makeup. But hands are a good indicator of age.

Once they are past late 30's, the body will def start to tell you a story. Maybe not with clothes on (that's another factor these days along with makeup), but you can tell.


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Agree.

Hardly no one has any surgery on hands and neck. Both of these are true indicators of age(partially due to the lack of surgery for these areas). That's why women will spend tons of money on skin tightening and moisturizing cremes for both these areas but it can only help so much the older they get.

Also women post 30 will have biological changes where it will be a lot harder to maintain their figure unless they really work for it. Where as girls in their early 20's is on cruise control and they literally have to make an effort to get fat or have bad genetics.
 

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I can tell pretty easily based on the Woman's wrinkles and her body. The ones I would have a hard time with is the girls who are really small and look 18 but are really 25 lol
 

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The age range I have trouble with is 16 - 22. Girls these days dress and carry themselves in a way that makes them seem older. Though after a 5 minute chat, it's easier to narrow down. But physically, nope.
 

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I had a clear underage approach me today, couldn't say how old but she was ready to go, some teens gonna get his life made today by that broad, I actually had like 6 chick's checking me out at once and she hovered all around them and scared them off eventually, was kind of annoying
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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I'm very good at telling a womens age easily within 5 years or less. I do occasionally think a younger women looks older than she actually is though.
 

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They seem to look really good from afar.....But then I get close and they look far from good....
 

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I had a clear underage approach me today, couldn't say how old but she was ready to go, some teens gonna get his life made today by that broad, I actually had like 6 chick's checking me out at once and she hovered all around them and scared them off eventually, was kind of annoying
you must be one handsome mofo! Get of this site lol
 

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The age range I have trouble with is 16 - 22. Girls these days dress and carry themselves in a way that makes them seem older. Though after a 5 minute chat, it's easier to narrow down. But physically, nope.
Yeah, same.
I'm usually good at guessing ages, but only ones that seem to catch me out on occasion are the really young girls

One of the prettiest girls i've seen in my whole life a while ago turned out to be dangerously underaged (and bare in mind 16 is legal here without any age gap laws!) 10/10 face, banging body, tall, dressed like a model with everything showing and nice makeup. I assumed 19-22. She was like 14!

Luckily (?) for me she wasn't attracted to me so no chance of getting in trouble there haha (not that I would have since I obviously managed to get her age during the approach)
 
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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soft supple skin vs. dry wrinkly skin

18-21 Easy (most women wont wear makeup at this age and will be trendy and fashionable)
21-24 Fairly Easy (will start to wear minimal makeup but still carry herself like a young chikity)
25-27 Fairly Easy (women in this age range will probably have the last glimmer of youth and will have the a few years ago trend going on)
28-40 Difficult (women will have a mature look and may carry it well with good genes and a good lifestyle but most women start to where heavy makeup and signs of bad genes and lifestyle really kick in)
40-60 Moderate (women will look old with wrinkles that cant be hidden, biggest indicators are hands and neck.)

The biggest indicators for me is body composition. Most younger women even if they are fat carry there body weight very well.

Also pay attention to her voice and dialect. Does she have an eagerly bright piched morning bird tone in her voice or is it a dry hardened jaded aged voice.
 
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