Do you believe woman always can see through performative dominance, confidence or Narcissists?

[OngBak]

They are generally better at seeing through it than men as they have better social perception. But of course they can't always see through it, that's a silly thing to say and it's easily disproved by spending enough time hanging out with people in real life.

I appreciate your opinion. But how would you view the idea that there might be fewer insecure or problematic as,s.holes if women were more selective in their reproductive choices?

 

[Sega Genesis]

Regarding this one: It was about, performative behaviors these mentioned below can be performed, and I witnessed many of these kind of fakes woman fell for. Sad, truly sad.

Dominant
Leader
Confident
Assertive/Aggressive
Pragmatic
Emotionally cool/strong
Detached/Distant

I am not refuting that (bolded) and I agree they may be performative - a facade.

Please re-read the part of my post that stated if a woman has decent self-esteem and is paying attention, she will eventually begin to see/sense the cracks in his image (his facade). And either distance herself or end the relationship.

But again neither women nor men have powers that prevent them from not being "fooled." At least at first unless they're psychic or something which most people are not!

 

[OngBak]

I am not refuting that (bolded) and I agree they may be performative - a facade.

Please re-read the part of my post that stated if a woman has decent self-esteem and is paying attention, she will begin to see/sense the cracks in his image (his facade). And either distance herself or end the relationship.

But again neither women nor men have powers that prevent them from not being "fooled."

I do have those "superpowers". I’m a natural leader, and I can spot insincerity very quickly, usually within a 5 second face-to-face conversation. I’m not lying or exaggerating, so far, I’ve always been right when it comes to judging authenticity and genuineness, and it happens almost instantly. I have even a proven record when I was only 7 years of Age. So it already started in my childhood, natural.


I read your comment, but you also pointed out that even with high self-esteem, it can still be difficult, basically an internal battle with yourself, where your emotions are strongly involved. It shouldn't be the case, you shouldn't care at all, but you cant switch it off because of your emotions.

 

[handle]

I appreciate your opinion. But how would you view the idea that there might be fewer insecure or problematic as,s.holes if women were more selective in their reproductive choices?

It might reduce their number, sure. As would many other things.

 

[OngBak]

It might reduce their number, sure. As would many other things.

What if the right reproductive choice leads you to the many other things?

 

[Sega Genesis]

I read your comment, but you also pointed out that even with high self-esteem, it can still be difficult, basically an internal battle with yourself, where your emotions are strongly involved. It shouldn't be the case, you shouldn't care at all, but you cant switch it off because of your emotions.

Fair enough and will own that. I'm an emotional person and when I'm drawn to a man, my emotions can definitely get in the way of logical thinking!

But to my and other women’s credit, I will figure it out eventually and leave. Why? Because I pay attention and listen to (and act on) my intuition.

I don't think that's 'sad.' What's sad is the woman (or man) who knows deep down they're being deceived/fooled/lied to but chooses to stay regardless.

That said it's nuanced because due to fear and insecurity what I thought was my intuition speaking to me was actually my fear and I misjudged him and the situation.

Human emotions and relationships can be complex but good for you for having such superpowers! The expression "more power to ya" really does apply to you.

 

[BeExcellent]

Would you even say they are better in understanding someones character better then Men do overall? You seem pretty convinced so what makes you believe this is the case?

I do think women are generally better in understanding a person's character than men. Here are a number of reasons I hold this view:

1. Women, as the weaker, or more physically vulnerable gender, develop a far better ability to read people. This is a biological protective development as accurately reading a person is tied to survival. It is both innate as well as something women learn socially throughout their lives starting as little girls. Men can be predatory; women prey. So this is an important survival tool, literally.

2. Women are socialized very differently than men as they are raised, to interact with others more, to understand and participate in social hierarchies from a very young age, to present well and observe others' behavior closely. This is tied to 1. above.

3. Men learn physical strength & dominance, and those are expectations societally in every culture for males. Women learn how to socialize and how to influence. Its not that a man cannot learn these skills, certainly he can, but males are not as a rule raised from young childhood with this emphasis as females are.

Item 3 is an important distiction. Women have the gift to influence, while men have the gift of physical prowess.

Once women are choosing a mate or life partner....someone to reproduce with, she will in pregnancy and childbearing and childrearing (especially when babies are very young) be at her most physically vulnerable. So it makes sense to choose a man who can protect her and provide for her while she is in this particularly vulnerable phase of life.

To be able to choose a man well; to chose a good man, she needs to be able to read and observe cues as to a man's character, so this skillset is more emphasized and more important for a woman to develop at a young age.

That is why I believe as I do. I am quite good myself at reading people and picking up on personality and character traits. We are all as individuals colored by various biases that arise from family of origin, culture and belief system and people function as a composite of these biases combined with our own life experiences.

So keep in mind that relationships are interactions between individuals, and the composite will vary by individual.

I will also say I have been told repeatedly that I am unusually well reasoned (rational) for a woman...and I attribute that directly to the way I was raised and taught to think and reason by my father. I was at a disadvantage as a very young woman because I was not raised to understand the importance of social environs. So I had to learn girliness as a young woman rather than having that understanding innately.

You see my mother was abused, and saw beauty and dependence and being feminine as a liability..,and as a risk to becoming a victim.

Like I said, we all bring our biases and so forth into our composition.

 

[Barrister]

There are smart, intuitive men and women. Just like there are morons in both sexes. Yes, some women can see through a facade a man puts on. Not most and not many though.

Also, women certainly are raised and conditioned to interact socially differently than men. This doesn’t give them mind reading powers or X ray vision. Despite being better socially calibrated as a whole, most women struggle understanding the male psyche and what makes a man. So the vast majority of the time, no, she isn’t going to recognize some faux personality or game a man puts on.

 

[pipeman84]

I agree with @BeExcellent's post, but then this meme comes to mind and I end up confused.

 

[Vanderdonck]

Always, no. Think of all the times you saw a woman idolize some phony. A guy can be performative and it works sometimes.

But the question is moot. Don't be that guy. Don't sweat girls who go for that guy.

 

[Solomon]

Do you believe they are able to spot it? We sometimes hear, yeah they can but deliberately choose them, but doesnt it contradict it with genuine strength? What about woman wanting always strong Men? Lets hear your opinions

Women aren’t a monolith, just like men aren’t. Once men understand that, a lot of things start making sense.


Let me give you a real example.
In my 20s, I constantly heard women talk about being mistreated by previous boyfriends. In my 30s, I heard the same stories. And honestly, the older you get, the harder it is to escape hearing those experiences.


But somewhere in my late 30s, I realized something important:
Some women actually prefer “ain’t-****” dudes, bad boys, or toxic men because they fit that lifestyle themselves. It’s easier to behave poorly when you’re with someone who doesn’t hold you accountable, doesn’t have standards, or shares the same mindset.


This is also why some women genuinely dislike stable men. A stable man, a man with character, a solid career, and self-sufficiency, isn’t going to tolerate drama, chaos, substance issues, or reckless behavior. He has boundaries, and not everyone wants to rise to that. This is why some women deem those guys "Boring" because they can't get away with toxic b.s. that they could with other guys. Where do you think the saying "Show me a pretty woman and I'll show oyu a man who is tired of sleeping with her (or just tired in general)


So why am I saying all this?
Because women vary just like men do.

• Some can recognize toxic traits immediately.
• Some can’t.
• Some see it but choose to ignore it.
• Some run from it.
• A few stay just to see what’s really there.

People choose based on their wiring, their experiences, and what they’re comfortable with

for better or worse.

 

[Solomon]

Advice from the old lady:

This is a fool's argument because the parameters are idiotic.

If a woman is running in circles where she is exposed to the rich swindler, she's running in wealthy circles. She will likely have wealth herself and the poor man will be invisible to her as an option. She will choose a wealthy man, those are her people. Some will be solid men of good repute, some will have character flaws. But a woman with access to wealthy men will choose one of the wealthy men....Duh.

Similarly a poor man will have women in his circles too. Some poor men will be of good character, others will cheat lie & steal. My renters, who are generally poor, have no problem finding partners.

You are confusing character with social class. They are not the same thing. Women in a poor social strata do not have access to wealthy men. Women in wealthy social strata would not consider a poor man an option.

Because they come from different walks of life, they don't mix.

Quit creating these ridiculous arguments. It does not make you look very socially aware.

Women are generally adept at understanding a man's character. Much more so than many here realize. That has zero to do with social class.

This is spot on, and I totally agree. I would make one disagreement that if a woman is only looking for a fling or one-night stand, most women don't care about the guy's personality deeply, or if he's rich. I know rich women who just recently got divorced in their early 40s, making 6 figures, or they got 7 figures in the divorce settlement and some of these women are banging the young 30s(or even in 20s) mid-tier manager making 40K a year at the Polo store. If it's a physical thing, they are more worried about the guy being hot, having a nice ****, and being able to get her off.

 

[handle]

What if the right reproductive choice leads you to the many other things?

I don’t really understand what you’re getting at. I’m saying that there’s likely many factors contributing to prevalence of these traits in the male population and I doubt that you can primarily ascribe them to any one thing. It seems like you’re suggesting mate selection is so important that it outweighs other factors. I disagree that you can even make such a statement (or an opposing statement) with any confidence. For more, see: nature vs nurture, epigenetics, ever-evolving cultural norms that affect our perception of what qualifies as “narcissistic,” etc…

 

[coldapproach]

. If it's a physical thing, they are more worried about the guy being hot, having a nice ****, and being able to get her off.

Just have a nice deeeh and fouck deeply

 

[OngBak]

I don’t really understand what you’re getting at. I’m saying that there’s likely many factors contributing to prevalence of these traits in the male population and I doubt that you can primarily ascribe them to any one thing. It seems like you’re suggesting mate selection is so important that it outweighs other factors. I disagree that you can even make such a statement with any confidence. For more, see: nature vs nurture, epigenetics, ever-evolving cultural norms that affect our perception of what qualifies as “narcissistic,” etc…

Im familiar with all the concepts. There is no cultural norm affecting the perception of what Narcissism is like and even then it doesn't matter and do you know why? Because its already scientifically established what it really is and embodies.
My perspective or intake was that selecting the right partner has a ripple effect. The right person encourages growth, inspires better decisions and creates a dynamic that reflects what society actually needs — stability, support, and mutual development, an authentic Leader, who does the right things.

 

[Clockwerk50]

The reality is that most people will mis-label or diagnose someone else as a narcissist when, in truth, they’ve never actually dealt with a clinical narcissist.

 

[coldapproach]

My oneitis is a Narcissist.

 

[coldapproach]

Two Narcissists are the best couple on the earth.

 

[Divorced w 3]

The entire framework of this question needs to be called out so that anyone lurking or trying to learn about seduction doesn’t get wrapped up in this bull****.

The base framework of this question is the wrongful projection of the original poster’s viewpoint that women have some sort of special ability.

Anyone who is here learning: rip that thought process up.

Men and women are equally fooled by what are known as ‘Cluster-B’ personality dynamics. Narcissistic personality traits being one, borderline personality disorder another, any of the personality traits that essentially manipulate situations into sympathy for the person with the disorder. Sometimes that person is really effective and sometimes that person is too obvious and their actions are incongruent and they get caught.

It happens equally in personal relationships from both sexes and it happens just as frequently in the office, school, or anywhere where social dynamics allow a party to manipulate outcomes for their own personal benefit.

This entire thread is built on the premise that women have an innate ability to do something. Throw that idea out. It’s head trash. Stop putting pvssy on a pedestal. Stop thinking so hard.

It was so simply put the other day, maybe a little too simply but @BackInTheGame78 said ‘women are like cats. Chase them and they run. Leave them alone and they come to you’.

Stop deifying women.

 

[coldapproach]

This entire thread is built on the premise that women have an innate ability to do something. Throw that idea out. It’s head trash. Stop putting pvssy on a pedestal. Stop thinking so hard.

But she has touched me physically...and still didnt putted out...you know....