Do you believe woman always can see through performative dominance, confidence or Narcissists?

[OngBak]

Do you believe they are able to spot it? We sometimes hear, yeah they can but deliberately choose them, but doesnt it contradict it with genuine strength? What about woman wanting always strong Men? Lets hear your opinions

 

[jhonny9546]

We should talk more about this.
A woman has two men in front of her: one earns his living honestly, and is poor.
The other earns his living dishonestly... he's a swindler, and a rich one.
Do you think the woman knows how to see how the two gain wealth?

I'm not a woman, but as a man I could say I know that women would mate with the cheater, not only that, they would fool the honest man.



The same thing happens between secure and insecure men.
Usually those who "bark a lot", like dogs, are the most "attractive".
They cannot distinguish between those who have secure dominance and those who have insecure dominance.

But @BeExcellent and @Sega Genesis could say more

 

[coldapproach]

Only if you are attractive else it give Ick and repells them.

 

[OngBak]

We should talk more about this.
A woman has two men in front of her: one earns his living honestly, and is poor.
The other earns his living dishonestly... he's a swindler, and a rich one.
Do you think the woman knows how to see how the two gain wealth?

I'm not a woman, but as a man I could say I know that women would mate with the cheater, not only that, they would fool the honest man.



The same thing happens between secure and insecure men.
Usually those who "bark a lot", like dogs, are the most "attractive".
They cannot distinguish between those who have secure dominance and those who have insecure dominance.

But @BeExcellent and @Sega Genesis could say more

Would like to know about this without the rich or poor part. This thread is more about understanding, whether they can see through the Objectives as mentioned in the Title, regardless if someone is poor or rich.

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

This is a fool's argument because the parameters are idiotic.

If a woman is running in circles where she is exposed to the rich swindler, she's running in wealthy circles. She will likely have wealth herself and the poor man will be invisible to her as an option. She will choose a wealthy man, those are her people. Some will be solid men of good repute, some will have character flaws. But a woman with access to wealthy men will choose one of the wealthy men....Duh.

Similarly a poor man will have women in his circles too. Some poor men will be of good character, others will cheat lie & steal. My renters, who are generally poor, have no problem finding partners.

You are confusing character with social class. They are not the same thing. Women in a poor social strata do not have access to wealthy men. Women in wealthy social strata would not consider a poor man an option.

Because they come from different walks of life, they don't mix.

Quit creating these ridiculous arguments. It does not make you look very socially aware.

Women are generally adept at understanding a man's character. Much more so than many here realize. That has zero to do with social class.

 

[coldapproach]

just be wealthy bro

 

[Prepostereax]

I think that, Yes they can, I've seen it in non-dating circumstances (eg a boss or supervisor acting like a primadonna), but..

Most women won't care. They're like cats, loyal to whoever provides the milk
*{I don't mean money here, "milk" is whatever she values in that guy}

Women of bad character (eg gold diggers) will actually justify the Ahole's behaviour to themselves
{ie in her mind, the d!ck is an exemplary human being}

Women of good character will recognise bad actors and adjust life decisions on this basis
{whole theses could be written on why women remain with abusive partners, why "players" are shunned yet successful, and so on..}

 

[Divorced w 3]

Advice from the old lady:

This is a fool's argument because the parameters are idiotic.

If a woman is running in circles where she is exposed to the rich swindler, she's running in wealthy circles. She will likely have wealth herself and the poor man will be invisible to her as an option. She will choose a wealthy man, those are her people. Some will be solid men of good repute, some will have character flaws. But a woman with access to wealthy men will choose one of the wealthy men....Duh.

Similarly a poor man will have women in his circles too. Some poor men will be of good character, others will cheat lie & steal. My renters, who are generally poor, have no problem finding partners.

You are confusing character with social class. They are not the same thing. Women in a poor social strata do not have access to wealthy men. Women in wealthy social strata would not consider a poor man an option.

Because they come from different walks of life, they don't mix.

Quit creating these ridiculous arguments. It does not make you look very socially aware.

Women are generally adept at understanding a man's character. Much more so than many here realize. That has zero to do with social class.

Happy Thanksgiving

….
It’s simpler than that

OP

What other magical powers do you attribute to the female species?

 

[OngBak]

Happy Thanksgiving

….
It’s simpler than that

OP

What other magical powers do you attribute to the female species?

You need some glasses to put on? her response wasnt aimed to me, read carefully through all the comments.

 

[OngBak]

I think that, Yes they can, I've seen it in non-dating circumstances (eg a boss or supervisor acting like a primadonna), but..

Most women won't care. They're like cats, loyal to whoever provides the milk
*{I don't mean money here, "milk" is whatever she values in that guy}

Women of bad character (eg gold diggers) will actually justify the Ahole's behaviour to themselves
{ie in her mind, the d!ck is an exemplary human being}

Women of good character will recognise bad actors and adjust life decisions on this basis
{whole theses could be written on why women remain with abusive partners, why "players" are shunned yet successful, and so on..}

I had mixed experience leaning more towards not seeing it unfortunately, mostly because of situational or perceptive manipulation like the aggressor trying to provoke you to get a reaction out of you and then playing the victim to make you look bad or look like the bad guy, have seen that even in others. But this part applies also to males, that weren't able to spot it.

 

[OngBak]

Advice from the old lady:
Women are generally adept at understanding a man's character. Much more so than many here realize. That has zero to do with social class.

Would you even say they are better in understanding someones character better then Men do overall? You seem pretty convinced so what makes you believe this is the case?

 

[Divorced w 3]

You need some glasses to put on? her response wasnt aimed to me, read carefully through all the comments.

I was just wondering if being born with a pvssy had any other magical abilities above and beyond what you’re attributing to it in the name of your own thread.

The idea that only men are going to be fooled by narcissistic personality disorders is one of, if not the dumbest concepts I have ever seen on this board. That you think women cannot be fooled by it suggests that you have a massive disorder of your own in how you think about how women operate.

Put the glasses on and look at yourself, junior.

 

[OngBak]

I was just wondering if being born with a pvssy had any other magical abilities above and beyond what you’re attributing to it in the name of your own thread.

The idea that only men are going to be fooled by narcissistic personality disorders is one of, if not the dumbest concepts I have ever seen on this board. That you think women cannot be fooled by it suggests that you have a massive disorder of your own in how you think about how women operate.

Put the glasses on and look at yourself, junior.

What? You do really need to put on your glasses. So calm down, I can see what you are trying here, you are making things up and basically project your own insecurities. Very interesting to witness

 

[coldapproach]

El sexo es importante para mí.

 

[plumber]

this thread makes the premise that women will see these traits as bad. remember women and men to not think alike. they process this question very differently then a man will. and then present an answer based on being a woman.

very often these tactics will work short term. they hit the emotional layer not logic.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Do you believe they are able to spot it?

A craftily constructed facade is tough for ANYONE to see beyond. Two examples:

Obama remains a rock star among card-carrying Progressives, commanding millions in speaking fees, despite the fact that he spent much of his reign RAMPING up The War On Terror, deporting far more of the folks Lefties pretend to care about than his predecessor had, and prosecuting journalists under The Espionage Act at rates previously unseen in living memory

Our current POTUS's personality cult clings to the delusion that he's going to deliever them from all their dissatisfaction, more ferociously than a newborn clings to it's mum's milk-heavy bajongas, despite the fact that Wokeness's stranglehold on most of our instructions has STRENTHENED over the past decade, shows no signs of loosening any time soon. And cost of living has been SKYROCKETING during his current term, despite Orange Man claiming to be a free market friendly


Same is true of everyday people, on a less macroscale. We can all think of at least one person who's spent their entire existence f-cking over anyone they can, yet still maintaine a die-hard circle of groupies

 

[Divorced w 3]

What? You do really need to put on your glasses. So calm down, I can see what you are trying here, you are making things up and basically project your own insecurities. Very interesting to witness

So you’re telling me I need glasses to re-read the words ‘always can see through’ from the thread you titled?

I ask you again- does having a vag afford any other major superpowers that may be worth knowing about?

 

[Sega Genesis]

this thread makes the premise that women will see these traits as bad. remember women and men to not think alike.

very often these tactics will work short term. they hit the emotional layer not logic.

100% agree with this^^.

There are many articles, videos and personal stories of women being attracted to certain Machiavellian qualities in a man of which Narcissism is one of the three traits.

To name a few of the good:

Dominant
Leader
Confident
Assertive/Aggressive
Pragmatic
Emotionally cool/strong
Detached/Distant

She won't view them as 'bad' because frankly they're not. Read "The Prince." I've only read bits and pieces but I understand its premise.

So she is drawn to him like a bee to honey! Her feminine to his masculine - yin and yang.

Even his emotional distance at times (towards her) is attractive in a way as the alternative (needy) is not viewed as masculine, confident and self-contained to many women.

For ME as I get to know him, there should be a healthy balance between distance/detachment and needy/togetherness but anyway...

It's only when getting to know him further when (sometimes) the cracks in his image will begin to show.

Many women might delude themselves dismissing the incongruous/inconsistency of his words/actions however....

If a woman is paying attention and has a decent amount of self-esteem and regard for herself and has learned proper boundaries, she will begin to question (to herself) such incongruousness and inconsistency and make the decision to quietly walk away.

And own HER role in the dynamic as it takes two to create such a dynamic.

She won't bother questioning or accusing HIM because it's likely he will deny/gaslight and call her "crazy" or anything else that diverts blame from himself. She will simply rely on her own intuition and make the decision to walk away quietly.

This isn't easy! Because she is still drawn to him and it will be a constant internal battle between his "good" and his "bad."

It might also create an unhealthy dynamic of the 'off/on' relationship or a "go away/come back" scenario. I've experienced both (in same relationship) and it nearly destroyed me emotionally...but I learned and became stronger!

Unfortunately and sadly many women will choose to stay as walking away is more painful than staying and she believes she can "handle" it (his narcissism and negative machiavellianism) which explains (as @Prepostereax posted) why women will often choose to remain in or return to 'abusive' relationships.

All that said with regard to original question
women can definitely be deceived by it at least as @plumber said in the short term. And sometimes even in the long term!

Women are not special flowers with unique superpowers that allow them to detect all the mental machinations and/or manipulations of a man or anyone!

Happy Thanksgiving

Same to you and everyone!

 

[handle]

They are generally better at seeing through it than men as they have better social perception. But of course they can't always see through it, that's a silly thing to say and it's easily disproved by spending enough time hanging out with people in real life.

 

[OngBak]

100% agree with this^^.

There are many articles, videos and personal stories of women being attracted to certain Machiavellian qualities in a man of which Narcissism is one of the three traits.

To name a few of the good:

Dominant
Leader
Confident
Assertive/Aggressive
Pragmatic
Emotionally cool/strong
Detached/Distant

She won't view them as 'bad' because frankly they're not. Read "The Prince." I've only read bits and pieces but I understand its premise.

So she is drawn to him like a bee to honey! Her feminine to his masculine - yin and yang.

Even his emotional distance at times (towards her) is attractive in a way as the alternative (needy) is not viewed as masculine, confident and self-contained to many women.

For ME as I get to know him, there should be a healthy balance between distance/detachment and needy/togetherness but anyway...

It's only when getting to know him further when (sometimes) the cracks in his image will begin to show.

Many women might delude themselves dismissing the incongruous/inconsistency of his words/actions however....

If a woman is paying attention and has a decent amount of self-esteem and regard for herself and has learned proper boundaries, she will begin to question (to herself) such incongruousness and inconsistency and make the decision to quietly walk away.

And own HER role in the dynamic as it takes two to create such a dynamic.

She won't bother questioning or accusing HIM because it's likely he will deny/gaslight and call her "crazy" or anything else that diverts blame from himself. She will simply rely on her own intuition and make the decision to walk away quietly.

This isn't easy! Because she is still drawn to him and it will be a constant internal battle between his "good" and his "bad."

It might also create an unhealthy dynamic of the 'off/on' relationship or a "go away/come back" scenario. I've experienced both (in same relationship) and it nearly destroyed me emotionally...but I learned and became stronger!

Unfortunately and sadly many women will choose to stay as walking away is more painful than staying and she believes she can "handle" it (his narcissism and negative machiavellianism) which explains (as @Prepostereax posted) why women will often choose to remain in or return to 'abusive' relationships.

All that said with regard to original question
women can definitely be deceived by it at least as @plumber said in the short term. And sometimes even in the long term!

Women are not special flowers with unique superpowers that allow them to detect all the mental machinations and/or manipulations of a man or anyone!



Same to you and everyone!

In other words: In general they don’t see through it and when they do they rationalize it (emotions, feelings), which makes them unaware of it, which basically goes back to not seeing through it due to rationalization. I was right with my assumptions and observations, woman are really blended by their emotions, they have no concept of what a genuine strong men is.

Regarding this one: It was about, performative behaviors these mentioned below can be performed, and I witnessed many of these kind of fakes woman fell for. Sad, truly sad.

Dominant
Leader
Confident
Assertive/Aggressive
Pragmatic
Emotionally cool/strong
Detached/Distant