“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Do women actually like good men or are my observations legitimate?

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I am wondering, about the reverse now. Is the reverse is also true or not as much???
Authenticity is a very attractive quality to men. Few women posses it. What's scarce becomes valuable.
Problem is most men think with their dlcks, and for women, physical attraction is just but one component.

I have met one girl whom I know for sure (out of close to one thousand) that was truly authentic and highly spiritually developed. And like the azzhole that I am, I dismissed her. But out of all the women, she remains in my mind.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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And I won't bend over backwards for woman.. But I do consider myself a good guy.. I don't feel the need to treat woman like shyte.
However I really don't think this approach has served me well.
Maybe its just the type of woman we have had dealings with so far.
That's certainly possible, especially if those women have a history of dating dirtbags.

But you've talked before about being reserved, aloof, and unaffectionate. I'm guessing your problems lie more in that area. I'm aloof myself, and reading pickup material like SoSuave doesn't really serve guys like us well. PUA stuff emphasizes the takeaway, or the "push" of push/pull. But we actually need to focus more on the giving and the "pull" to achieve the proper balance. If you're not affectionate enough, you're not stirring up their emotions enough, basically.

Women would rather share a high value man than have a loser all to themselves.

It is only when the game is nearly over for them and they approach the wall do they select a provider (draft animal), in near panic mode.
That's what PUA Bro Theory says, but it's not really what I observe. Where I'm from, girls (and especially the hottest girls) tend to get married fairly young. It's the old "The best valued items get taken off the market first". Now whether or not those marriages last is another question, but that's the way things work here, which is a more conservative, suburban/rural area.
 

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You can be a good guy and very masculine. However the women will ask you to do some things for them which the narcissist will never do in a million years. And over time the good guy doing this extra looks "weaker" in her eyes. They figure the narcissist realize he have it like that where he doesnt NEED to do the extra. So i dont particularly like it either. But its what they are doing. Making sure you get sex early and often is a winning strategy. If you help her at times makes sure she helps you too. Also say no to her a good chunk of the times.

I think if you fvck them really good and selfish enough to not get off purpose the "good" guy can win. You have to understand the type of female your dealing with and how she treats the different guys.
This is brilliant... I have also noticed this... If you do much for them, they somehow see this was weakness... As mrgoodstuff said... Refuse to do things for them from time to time..

Problem is, I naturally like to help people out, and try to occasionally do things for a woman... Its a crazy world we live in, if she percives that as Weakness.

The only things I helped my ex with, was generally anything to do with her car, because she was out of her depth, also she had been over charged by a couple of car mechanics.

Or I would health her with anything that was technologically advanced.. She was useless with technology.

I don't really think I did too much for her.
 

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That's certainly possible, especially if those women have a history of dating dirtbags.

But you've talked before about being reserved, aloof, and unaffectionate. I'm guessing your problems lie more in that area. I'm aloof myself, and reading pickup material like SoSuave doesn't really serve guys like us well. PUA stuff emphasizes the takeaway, or the "push" of push/pull. But we actually need to focus more on the giving and the "pull" to achieve the proper balance. If you're not affectionate enough, you're not stirring up their emotions enough, basically.


That's what PUA Bro Theory says, but it's not really what I observe. Where I'm from, girls (and especially the hottest girls) tend to get married fairly young. It's the old "The best valued items get taken off the market first". Now whether or not those marriages last is another question, but that's the way things work here, which is a more conservative, suburban/rural area.

Zekko I totally believe this.

I am not what you would call an affectionate guy.. I don't show too much emotion... I am quite physically affectionate, for example giving her a cuddle or some shyte like that.., or holding her hand when we are out.


But I find it very difficult to verbally express love and affection.

Saying I Love You.. Is something very difficult for me to utter... Or I miss you... can't do it.

Maybe we are not developing strong enough bonds with these chicks, due to our lack of intimacy issues.
 

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Regarding ulterior motives, being good or bad is almost always done out of selfishness. Being good/kind is done to make people like you and to feel rewarded by giving.

Being bad is done for fun “shock value”, bragging rights, power trip, sadistic pleasure, etc.
Some o
This is brilliant... I have also noticed this... If you do much for them, they somehow see this was weakness... As mrgoodstuff said... Refuse to do things for them from time to time..

Problem is, I naturally like to help people out, and try to occasionally do things for a woman... Its a crazy world we live in, if she percives that as Weakness.

The only things I helped my ex with, was generally anything to do with her car, because she was out of her depth, also she had been over charged by a couple of car mechanics.

Or I would health her with anything that was technologically advanced.. She was useless with technology.

I don't really think I did too much for her.
Help her if shes your woman. That means your fvcking and she has your back. Other than that you have to charge people $ for your areas of expertise. The only exception is someone who shares with you.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Certainly in areas where there are fewer options they may get married younger, however the data clearly shows the average age of first marriage for women has steadily risen.
I don't think it's so much a matter of options as it is a more old fashioned mindset. There are plenty of options for hooking up, and a lot of people go that route. But where I live, it's like there are two separate groups, the "plate spinners" and the people who are more focused on relationships or family.

I'm aware that the average age of marrying is going up, and it has here too, but not as much as in some parts of the country. In any case, women here are getting married well ahead of the "wall".

As a side note: I wonder how much of this phenomenon of the marriage age going up is because men are more reluctant to marry? As opposed to women just wanting to stay single and bang alphas, as the Manosphere would suggest. I mean, would women be marrying younger if guys were more inclined to? Apart from the general decrease in the appeal of marriage, I'm sure another reason is that more women are getting college educations now than ever before.
 

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This is brilliant... I have also noticed this... If you do much for them, they somehow see this was weakness... As mrgoodstuff said... Refuse to do things for them from time to time..

Problem is, I naturally like to help people out, and try to occasionally do things for a woman... Its a crazy world we live in, if she percives that as Weakness.

The only things I helped my ex with, was generally anything to do with her car, because she was out of her depth, also she had been over charged by a couple of car mechanics.

Or I would health her with anything that was technologically advanced.. She was useless with technology.

I don't really think I did too much for her.
Yep! My ex asked me if I’d help her move out of one house to another across town. What was funny is I was the only guy she knew that had a truck and trailer and I couldn’t think of a reason to say no at the time. Of course I’m sure that just re-affirmed her perceived weakness in me that I was willing to help and haul her heavy ass furniture by myself with the help of a friend. So weak but yet I could move a big ass dresser. I’m so beta.lol
 

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Yep! My ex asked me if I’d help her move out of one house to another across town. What was funny is I was the only guy she knew that had a truck and trailer and I couldn’t think of a reason to say no at the time. Of course I’m sure that just re-affirmed her perceived weakness in me that I was willing to help and haul her heavy ass furniture by myself with the help of a friend. So weak but yet I could move a big ass dresser. I’m so beta.lol
Now you KNOW dont do that for someone like her! We never go wrong getting the puzzy up front. Ditch babes who arent putting out.
 

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Now you KNOW dont do that for someone like her! We never go wrong getting the puzzy up front. Ditch babes who arent putting out.
What’s funny is the ones that don’t give you sex are the hardest to get rid of. They keep coming back like a bad rash.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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The good guy vs bad guy is a false dichotomy. Women are attracted to masculinity. Masculinity is completely independent of benevolence (or lacktherof). Masculinity is a measure of your male strength; confidence, discipline, and leadership abilities. One can be masculine and kind or masculine and a jerk. Get it?
 

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The good guy vs bad guy is a false dichotomy. Women are attracted to masculinity. Masculinity is completely independent of benevolence (or lacktherof). Masculinity is a measure of your male strength; confidence, discipline, and leadership abilities. One can be masculine and kind or masculine and a jerk. Get it?
Why can’t a guy be both masculine AND be decent not only towards women but towards everyone? Who’s to say a decent guy doesn’t have confidence in other aspects of his life but maybe not so much women because he sees them as a lot of trouble? I know PLENTY of women who are dating or are married to guys I wouldn’t call masculine AT ALL. Yeah I know it’s her call but other guys look at the guy and instantly can sense he’s weak or he puts on an act of toughness but it’s just that, an act.
 

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Why can’t a guy be both masculine AND be decent not only towards women but towards everyone? Who’s to say a decent guy doesn’t have confidence in other aspects of his life but maybe not so much women because he sees them as a lot of trouble? I know PLENTY of women who are dating or are married to guys I wouldn’t call masculine AT ALL. Yeah I know it’s her call but other guys look at the guy and instantly can sense he’s weak or he puts on an act of toughness but it’s just that, an act.
Sounds like you need to re-read my comment.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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I suggest you read pook's post on "the nice guy". He spelled it out pretty clearly.
 

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On a side note, I think I may have been the only guy who wanted to fvck the everliving $hit out of Lilith Crane.
Yes, I would not have kicked that action out of my bed.
 

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So how are men supposed to meet these classy women? Day game? :rolleyes:
I've always had great luck through friends, school, work, classes, etc. But I hear you and understand. Just be guarded meeting at bars, all sorts of trash mixed in with good.
 
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