"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Do things change in the game once you hit it.

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I'm just curious as to what you guys think or how your mind frame changes once you get to have sex with a chick.

I've personally found that once I get to hit it. The power shifts into my favor. I'm a lot more confident in all my interactions with this female and it seems like only a matter of time before the relationship questions start coming up.

I'm curious if anyone else feels this way, or if your game shifts once you've sexed a chick up.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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I dunno...it depends on both you and the girl.

I think what may be happening with you...and this is just a guess...is that once you "hit it", you're no longer bothered by the spectre of "conquest". You have nothing left to prove...you f*cked her, you've earned your notch. Now you can finally interact with her like she's a human being, rather than a prize to be won. :p
 

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some say that's when the game really begins, the game to control the frame.
 

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Yeah it depends on the chick. A lot of women are so used to slutting around that they barely blink at it anymore.
 

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"Now you can finally interact with her like she's a human being, rather than a prize to be won."

Aren't you supposed to be the prize :p
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Maybe it's just my style... But it seems like whenever I can get a lay in, the game becomes much easier.

The typical ONS bar sluts don't apply to this obviously... Who want's to waste time with that?
 

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This is the point where I usually crash and burn (after a month or two).

It's hard for me because I usually have some amount of feeling for a girl prior to sleeping with her. I've never done the ONS thing - it doesn't suit me. I wish I could...

I've found that after the deed is done, either I or she escalates the relationship to some degree. Either I want more or she does. Too often, these are in unequal or varying degrees, but rarely in-sync.

I'm at this very point once again... At least this time around I have a bit of a take-it-or-leave-it attitude about it.

I do think it changes things, and it should.
 

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At least it cuts through all the b/s and you know whether she is into you.

Of course, once you get some lays under your belt, you realise this is only when the real game is starting....

...usually the point where I crash and burn soon afterwards as well.
 

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THIS IS THE MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THIS FORUM. Most guys on here put so much emphasis and importance on sex with a woman, it's mind boggling. SEX means NOTHING to a woman without emotional attachment. She doesn't even have to like you to lay you, it MEANS NOTHING. She has to emotionaly be fuvked by you. They do it so much, they have it so easy, that they have no attachments to it. I wish men would understand that if you like a girl, sex early, is very bad. It is the pinnacle, not the beginning of a relationship. It kills a woman's love, if done early.
 

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Falcon25 said:
THIS IS THE MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THIS FORUM. Most guys on here put so much emphasis and importance on sex with a woman, it's mind boggling
This I'll agree with you on.

SEX means NOTHING to a woman without emotional attachment. She doesn't even have to like you to lay you, it MEANS NOTHING. She has to emotionaly be fuvked by you. They do it so much, they have it so easy, that they have no attachments to it. I wish men would understand that if you like a girl, sex early, is very bad. It is the pinnacle, not the beginning of a relationship. It kills a woman's love, if done early.
This I don't buy. Again, it depends on the girl. I've had some girls I've f**ked early that have lost touch immediately afterward and I've had some girls I've f**ked early who have wanted to jump right into a relationship.

Sex IS emotional chaos for a woman. How she responds to it is determined by a lot of things. You can't make a blanket statement like, "It kills attraction".

True that they, especially the good-looking ones, can get it any time, so it doesn't have as much meaning for them. However, they EXPECT you to always be pushing for it. A LACK of sexual initiative on the part of the male is often misread as either disinterest or even chumpish fear. So you deny your urges at your own peril.

The way I've found that you can handle this is that you treat it like she does. If it's "no big deal" to her, then it should be "no big deal" to you as well.

As you said above, men on this forum take the sex act too seriously. The more I date, the more I find the idea of "f*cking" to be a silly indulgence. I feel as though of the percentage of guys who are chasing after p*ssy, only maybe 10% are truly as into f*cking as they claim to be...the other 90% are trying to impress those 10%...or the women themselves.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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runner83 said:
At least it cuts through all the b/s and you know whether she is into you.
I find this to be very true.

Once you hit it, you'll have a lot of feedback
come in, she'll either move closer or withdrawal in some way. But you'll
get a really good read on where her head is at.
 

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Falcon25 said:
THIS IS THE MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THIS FORUM. Most guys on here put so much emphasis and importance on sex with a woman, it's mind boggling. SEX means NOTHING to a woman without emotional attachment. She doesn't even have to like you to lay you, it MEANS NOTHING. She has to emotionaly be fuvked by you. They do it so much, they have it so easy, that they have no attachments to it. I wish men would understand that if you like a girl, sex early, is very bad. It is the pinnacle, not the beginning of a relationship. It kills a woman's love, if done early.
I think your missing my point here.

I'm not talking about a quick lay. Not a ONS. I'm not talking about pushing a chick into it so she has buyers remorse after the 1st date.

I'm talking about she want it as bad as you do and is taking your belt off so she can get in your pants because you've kept your game super tight and NOT pushed her for sex to early. You've given her the impression you're willing to walk if disrespected. You've somehow tricked her into thinking that you can take or leave sex.

Maybe we're talking about the same thing which is the emotional attachment but regardless I don't think it is "MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THIS FORUM".

It sounds like my theory doesn't hold true for all men.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
Sex is no substitute for Game

Once again, as if on cue, Roissy the psychic pimp delivers.
that was pretty entertaining.

hahaha, holy crap, this is so true.


GF’s hotness Time to boredom
0--- 0 seconds
1--- 0.1 seconds
2--- 0.5 seconds
3--- 1.1 seconds
4--- 15 seconds
5--- 5 minutes (this is very much an exponential plot)
6 --- 3 weeks
7--- 6 months
8--- 5 years
10--- 10 years to never
 
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