Do men really have more time than women in the sexual market place?

[Isildur1]

Do Men Really Have More time than women in the Sexual market place?

Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach – Im purely writing this blog as my own perspectives and that’s about it . I am available for networking though in London, France (Nice) , US (Dallas…

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Ok so I was having a bit of a debate with myself the other day after watching a 21 convention video boasting that “men have loads of time to date , women have a limited time when they are high SMV that will diminish with time. Whilst I believe it’s true that men have longer to cash in on the sexual market I don’t believe its as easy as saying we have an advantage long term. Our sexual market value most certainly goes up longterm starting from a smaller base whilst women’s increase early on between their 18-25s then diminishes as they age. Whilst this has been the subject of much arrogance from the black pill and red pill I decided to write this piece to emphasise that whilst I agree with the core point that women over a long period tend to decline faster I don’t necessarily feel that the extra time that men garner is actually a massive advantage at all seeing as men have much greater time expenses than women in terms of improving sexual market value, maintaining it and further improving it. Once you add up and take into account all these factors I still believe fertile/attractive women still hold the bulk of the cards and advantages in terms of sexual market value . The objective of this article isn’t to inspire some sort of negativity or doom or gloom . The aim of this article itself is to provide men with the necessary inspiration to start approaching and go out there and meet as many people as possible because time is of the essence regardless of what your potential is or what you have now. It’s also there to prevent over-complacency by men in the sexual market place something which the “red pill craze” maybe responsible for.

Aspects which women may hold some advantages in :
. Men have to spend a lot more time in approaching
. Men's testosterone will deteriorate making approaching and SMV harder over time
. Men need to spend more time dating more to find marriage material as they risk the most in marriages on average.
. Men's younger years and teens have a higher probability of being filled with loneliness than women's
. Men need to spend more time in building social circles than women .
. Men need to on average invest more money in self improvement than women

These are just some general points that I made that I expanded on in my article. All in all I just want to say time is of the essence so keep approaching and create opportunities .

 

[SW15]

I don’t necessarily feel that the extra time that men garner is actually a massive advantage at all seeing as men have much greater time expenses than women in terms of improving sexual market value, maintaining it and further improving it. Once you add up and take into account all these factors I still believe fertile/attractive women still hold the bulk of the cards and advantages in terms of sexual market value

The typical male in his 30s/40s in the sexual marketplace is a pussie beggar who will end up settling for some mediocre to subpar pussie close to his own age. The SMV chart that men peak at 36-40 is complete crap. The typical 36-40 year old man isn't getting a girlfriend substantially younger and he'll be choosing from scraps in a lot of cases.

 

[corrector]

Another depressing post form @SW15 Who is really making all of the negative posts on here?

 

[TheGrindEqualsHappiness]

Couple of points here:

I agree wholeheartedly with @SW15 here. Men SMV just doesn't magically start shooting up. The graph is about norman men that have their shyt together spending their normal lives in human typical serial monogamy. Not lifelong mgtow guys. Their SMV keeps dropping.

I also disagree with @Isildur1 premise that was sub communicated that this is somehow unfair for men because it takes so much time. Most of the things that he listed and should have listed there are something what men should be doing anyway for themselves. Lift weights, keep healthy diet, maintain your looks&style, build your career/make money, be social.

Then the game part:
Learning the game is fun as hell, if you frame it right! Learning it from as early age as possible to get that huge SMV-boost right from the gate! You will really set yourself a part from your peers.

 

[corrector]

Not lifelong mgtow guys. Their SMV keeps dropping.

How would you say that players on here, who are essentially red-pill MGTOWS have SMVs that are dropping? How do you figure that?

 

[Hal9000]

You're living in dream land if you think you've got a better chance of landing a hot 22 year old in your 30s or 40s than when you are under 25. Doesn't mean it never happens but alot of you guys are in for a rude awakening if you're just sitting around waiting to hit 40 so you have tons of desperate younger women throwing themselves at you. Unless you're Bezos or some famous actor it is extremely unlikely you are going to be dating girls 20 years younger than you. The reality is that both genders SMV goes down with age but men's drops much faster. Not what many of you want to hear apparently but hopefully you'll believe it and not continue to wait for some magical age of irresistability to women that's never gonna arrive.

 

[pipeman84]

You're living in dream land if you think you've got a better chance of landing a hot 22 year old in your 30s or 40s than when you are under 25.

If you mean having sex, in your 30s, 40s and beyond, provided you're not dirt poor, the world is your oyster. You have much more time (having done the learning, exploring, heavy lifting when under 25) and money to buy sex.
If you mean getting into a relationship with a quality 22yrs old, then again, I can't see how having more life experience, wisdom, patience, money at 40yrs old compared to 24yrs old would be detrimental.

Unless you're Bezos or some famous actor it is extremely unlikely you are going to be dating girls 20 years younger than you.

You shot yourself in the foot with the Bezos example ... aren't you aware he's engaged to a 54 yrs old divorcee with kids?

 

[SW15]

You're living in dream land if you think you've got a better chance of landing a hot 22 year old in your 30s or 40s than when you are under 25.

You don't have a better chance at age 30+.

You have a better chance of getting a hot 22 year old at ages 22-24 because of social proximity factors. Also, for swipe app users, a 22 year old woman is more likely to consider some 22-24 year old than some 30+ guy.

you guys are in for a rude awakening if you're just sitting around waiting to hit 40 so you have tons of desperate younger women throwing themselves at you.

The reality is that both genders SMV goes down with age but men's drops much faster. Not what many of you want to hear apparently but hopefully you'll believe it and not continue to wait for some magical age of irresistability to women that's never gonna arrive.

Here's what a typical reality looks like for a 40 year old male in terms of his SMV options....

1. A 33-40 year old woman who is childless but likely is a careerist. A childless 40 year old man will like the childless woman part of it. The careerist part is far less desirable. There's even a chance this careerist, childless 33-40 year old woman makes more money than the 40 year old man, which isn't good for a longer term relationship. This childless, careerist woman usually has at least one cat or dog too. That's annoying, especially for the petless male.

2. A 33-40 year old woman who is less of a careerist but likely to be a single mom at that point. There's a good chance she's divorced too. Childless men are not going to like this option because they become cucks in this option as they will be raising another man's baby to some extent. It's unavoidable in some sort of LTR. Also, given her age, it is likely to be more difficult to get her to conceive a baby with you in a longer term relationship. If you have kids and she has kids, this LTR will feel like an awkward corporate merger.

3. Likely zero options in the 20-32 year old women category. The typical 40 year old man doesn't make enough money to attract a 20 something, nor does he look good enough. Looks and money are the two most important parts of a man's SMV. This stinks for him because this is likely the option he wants the most.

The typical late 30s/early 40s guy settles for some option close to his age in Category 1 or 2. That doesn't sound like Peak SMV to me.

 

[BoostedArrow]

I think, as Rollo says, it all comes down to whether a guy fully realizes his full potential by the time he's 36 (or 40). The other posts said already that it doesn't get easier when you just wait till you're 40. And yeah makes sense if you're the average balding fat loser, but water's wet yk.

If you take the time to build yourself, as in work a good career with decent money, keep yourself in shape, take care of your face/skin/body, have a somewhat interesting lifestyle then I'd say you might still be able to pull young girls. Michael Sartain is a good example. He's 40 and his Girlfriend Kylie is 22 or so. They apparantly even do threesomes.

Also women prefer men about 7 years older than themselves.

 

[SW15]

Michael Sartain is a good example. He's 40 and his Girlfriend Kylie is 22 or so. They apparantly even do threesomes.

Sartain is 46 and his girlfriend is 21. That's solid. I thought Sartain mostly got women living off Dan Blizerian's scraps.

women prefer men about 7 years older than themselves.

Typical age gaps in existing relationships are closer to 2-3 years. There's not much support for your 7 year idea.

 

[BoostedArrow]

Sartain is 46 and his girlfriend is 21. That's solid. I thought Sartain mostly got women living off Dan Blizerian's scraps.

He's doing alright for himself. He's quite popular in Vegas apparantly and teaches in his MOA course how to leverage Instagram to meet women.

Typical age gaps in existing relationships are closer to 2-3 years. There's not much support for your 7 year idea.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I bet Rollo or sb has stats about that.

Anecdotal:
In my family there's a younger couple with an 8 year difference. My grandparents have 6 years.

 

[pipeman84]

If you take the time to build yourself, as in work a good career with decent money, keep yourself in shape, take care of your face/skin/body, have a somewhat interesting lifestyle then I'd say you might still be able to pull young girls. Michael Sartain is a good example. He's 40 and his Girlfriend Kylie is 22 or so. They apparantly even do threesomes.

Hugh Hefner was 86 when he married a 26yrs old ... that kind of puts taking care of your face/skin into perspective . Kylie doesn't look like a girlfriend, more like a leased escort. One has to be naive to believe those 2 have a loved based relationship.

Later Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/LengfOrGirf/comments/13bcnw6 man, the guy is pathetic AF.

 

[Gamisch]

It's funny how much the last lets say 50/ 70 years things have changed.

The industrial revolution promised prosperity to all: just get a job and you can have a good life , wife, buy a house and take a vacation every now and then. Hollywood/popular culture brainwashed us even further with music and movies( I wanna know what love iiiiissss, so why dont you shooooow meeeee). Every man older than 20 is conditioned to chase a Disney dream. In this dream, in combination with the first paragraph, men believed that they are THE head of the family. A man could easily replace a woman as she dependent upon him. THIS is where the idea behind the 30 year old wall comes from.

But ,somewhere between the passed 50 years slowly and silently the rules have changed 180. Women don't really need a men ,so all that's left is pure uncut feelings. To stay on topic: a man MIGHT have a big window, but ONLY if the stars aligned right for him. You gotta have the game ,looks,(clean from addictions) the mouthpiece, career body and perhaps social circle to be and stay a top dude.

All the others, well..i geuss that MOST men their smv will peak between 20 and 30...around 30 balding starts ,and most men theirs metabolic system slows down. Oh, and lets not forget your social circle will fall apart(you wont get invited to the college afterparty at a rooftop anymore).

The female wall ,all the while, went up to 60. First paragraph talks about the wall, by now its EASILY between 50 and 60 for women. A 50 year old woman will have her pick from plenty of desperate men between their 20s and 40s.

One of the biggest challenges to men is that this isn't talked about. Most men lose their "top smv" ASSUMING they had plenty of time. Assuming they'll "George Clooney " or " Morgan Freeman " their way into some panties..You might have time if between 30 and 30 you already established a great foundation. If you get hit by the "male age wall" (and lose your hair, get depressed, heartbroken too often ,no game ect), you're already done .

 

[All_Kindz_Of_Gainz]

The reality is that both genders SMV goes down with age but men's drops much faster.

This is BS. Women have value since birth and decay with time. Men's value is made with time. I'm 34, and my physique and money have increased massively than when I was 24. If you're not getting better then you're doing the wrong things.

 

[BadBoy89]

The reality is that both genders SMV goes down with age but men's drops much faster.

Not true.

A woman‘s SMV depends on her youth and fertility. Her time is a lot more precious than a man‘s. A man can have a baby and almost any age, a woman can’t. Once a woman passes, let’s say 38, her SMV is down the drain. A childless man wants nothing to do with her Yet a man can have a baby in his 50s, 60s, and 70s, and as long as he has some money and resources and takes care of himself, a fertile women could have a baby with him because she wants his resources,

I don’t know how everyone is saying the wall for women is in their 50s and sometimes 60s. My patience for any non-fertile women is about a lunch hour, 90 min max. And then people are saying men are desperate to have a full blown relationship with these older women? I don’t see it.

Men want youth, women want resources.

 

[oliver109]

You don't have a better chance at age 30+.

You have a better chance of getting a hot 22 year old at ages 22-24 because of social proximity factors. Also, for swipe app users, a 22 year old woman is more likely to consider some 22-24 year old than some 30+ guy.



Here's what a typical reality looks like for a 40 year old male in terms of his SMV options....

1. A 33-40 year old woman who is childless but likely is a careerist. A childless 40 year old man will like the childless woman part of it. The careerist part is far less desirable. There's even a chance this careerist, childless 33-40 year old woman makes more money than the 40 year old man, which isn't good for a longer term relationship. This childless, careerist woman usually has at least one cat or dog too. That's annoying, especially for the petless male.

2. A 33-40 year old woman who is less of a careerist but likely to be a single mom at that point. There's a good chance she's divorced too. Childless men are not going to like this option because they become cucks in this option as they will be raising another man's baby to some extent. It's unavoidable in some sort of LTR. Also, given her age, it is likely to be more difficult to get her to conceive a baby with you in a longer term relationship. If you have kids and she has kids, this LTR will feel like an awkward corporate merger.

3. Likely zero options in the 20-32 year old women category. The typical 40 year old man doesn't make enough money to attract a 20 something, nor does he look good enough. Looks and money are the two most important parts of a man's SMV. This stinks for him because this is likely the option he wants the most.

The typical late 30s/early 40s guy settles for some option close to his age in Category 1 or 2. That doesn't sound like Peak SMV to me.

A 40 year old doesn't look that bad usually, a 25 year old can look out of shape and a 40 year old can have a good figure and more muscle, only idiots say that 40 is old, if you see famous people that are 40 they don't look nearly as old as people that are 50. i always like to think that men have 7-10 years on women in terms of looks, if the best looking women are 18-23 then the best looking men are 25-30, if the average woman hits the wall at 32-37 then the average man doesnt hit the wall until 39-44.

 

[Isildur1]

This is BS. Women have value since birth and decay with time. Men's value is made with time. I'm 34, and my physique and money have increased massively than when I was 24. If you're not getting better then you're doing the wrong things.

would say it depends on the man. In my early 20s and teen years I was getting close to nothing - post age 25 I started to see real results I guess life experience played a big part in making myself more interesting on dates. In my late teen years/early 20s I pretty much had no hobbies and interests and very little about myself to maintain interest on dates. I was really lacking self awareness of what was required to actually be an interesting person.

 

[All_Kindz_Of_Gainz]

would say it depends on the man. In my early 20s and teen years I was getting close to nothing - post age 25 I started to see real results I guess life experience played a big part in making myself more interesting on dates. In my late teen years/early 20s I pretty much had no hobbies and interests and very little about myself to maintain interest on dates. I was really lacking self awareness of what was required to actually be an interesting person.

Exactly my point. Men can become interesting, offer more with time. Women can't get younger or better looking with time.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Hugh Hefner was 86 when he married a 26yrs old ... that kind of puts taking care of your face/skin into perspective . Kylie doesn't look like a girlfriend, more like a leased escort. One has to be naive to believe those 2 have a loved based relationship.

Don't be like that. Anna Nicole Smith died of a broken heart.

 

[CornbreadFed]

No, this myth has been exaggerated by Fresh and Fit and bitter Mgtows. A woman can thirst trap men even in her 50s. The older a guy gets, the more money he needs to attract non low-quality women.