"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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If a girl you have been out with multiple times just coming out of a serious relationship, knows that you like her and continues to go on tinder do you next her?

This chick hasn't disrespected me, she's very sweet to me...I don't feel like her emotional tampon because she doesn't ever hit me up to ***** to me about her problems.

I feel like she has no interest in dating me but is kind of attracted to me....problem is shes not the fwb type of chick. She wants a serious relationship, and she doesnt drink at all so I cant get her drunk either.


Normally I would push for the lay but Im afraid if I push too hard I might risk getting friendzoned, I feel like no matter how much she likes me or how well the next date goes shes going to want to date for a little while and hold off on the sex.... Which is why I was thinking about going ghost for a month (at least), and hit her up again? You know women getting out of relationships always got that grass is greener mentality.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I'm a bit confused. You didn't f*ck her and you care about what now?

Steps

1) F*ck her
2) Spin plates
3) Continue to spin plates
4) Continue to spin plates
5) If she asks for exclusivity, and you agree, delineate your boundaries (i.e. off tinder, etc.)
6) If she violates boundaries, dump her.
7) If she doesn't violate boundaries, dump her before one year. You are too young too settle down and waste your youth on one.
 

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What does our community say about having women friends? I think David D spoke about it, friends, not women that said to you let's just be friends. It's beneficial for both of us, she likes you, you could have access to her female friends, and she will put a good word for you.
 

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guru1000 said:
I'm a bit confused. You didn't f*ck her and you care about what now?

Steps

1) F*ck her
2) Spin plates
3) Continue to spin plates
4) Continue to spin plates
5) If she asks for exclusivity, and you agree, delineate your boundaries (i.e. off tinder, etc.)
6) If she violates boundaries, dump her.
7) If she doesn't violate boundaries, dump her before one year. You are too young too settle down and waste your youth on one.
Well yes the goal is to f%ck her, Im just wondering if disappearing for a while might give me a better chance at doing so.
 

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captain55 said:
Well yes the goal is to f%ck her, Im just wondering if disappearing for a while might give me a better chance at doing so.
A woman who is truly interested in you will make an effort get to know you better. Unfortunately, not all of them do this - regardless of what seduction tactics you use. You can try to hit her up once more, and if she accepts, push the envelope as far as it can go. That's your gauge of her interest. Disappearing for a while, going ghost whatever you want to call it will not raise interest in a women if she has little to begin with. Stop disappearing to escape from no interest.

The greatest advantage throughout evolution is your ability to walk away. Don't be a b!tch.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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In this situation going ghost wont help you.

What are your feelings toward this girl?
 

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Rainman4707 said:
In this situation going ghost wont help you.

What are your feelings toward this girl?
Im absolutely crazy about her, shes a catch for sure. Im seeing other women on the side to keep me distracted since I feel like it might not workout for several reasons.


1. . she's an hour away, makes it hard for me to be spontaneous
2. she doesn't drink at all (Ive tried getting her drunk and taking her to a bar numerous times),
3. She's a workaholic, very tight schedule.


Depsite being an hour away She got offered a job about twenty minutes from me, which she might take. That's the reason I'm going for this.

On the first date I made a move and was making out with her within an hour of the first date in a hookah lounge. Between the second and third date we went almost two months without seeing each other, so the emotional connection was lost obviously...but I still ended up making out with her within forty five minutes of that date.

I just don't understand what this chick is waiting for...superman? IF that's not chemistry what is? I feel like my charm is about to run out with this bit$h though, and Im losing momentum because we go too long without seeing each other between dates...
 

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Another important thing I forgot to mention. After the first date, I invited her back to my house the following weekend to try and bang her but started getting cold feet because I had suspicions she might be a transexual so I canceled the date. She's hot as hell but shes definitely got some androgynous features .I feel like she thinks Im a ***** now because I didn't try and bang her...

When my friends assured me that she was probably a real girl I decided to give it a chance, and sure enough saw childhood photos of her....shes indeed a real girl. But obviously I cant tell her "look the reason I didnt try and bang you a while ago is not because Im a p$ssy but because I thought you might of been a chick with a di$k"

The whole situation is just fuc%ed. she's still talking to me however, and the last date ended in a make out session...hasn't written me off so maybe I will be able to salvage it.
 

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Bravo, on spinning plates :up:

Looks like she might be a good catch.

I understand she is busy with work, but two months is to long without seeing her??

You've got to get her in the bedroom & turn her on, smelling her neck, her body etc, etc
 

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captain55 said:
Another important thing I forgot to mention. After the first date, I invited her back to my house the following weekend to try and bang her but started getting cold feet because I had suspicions she might be a transexual so I canceled the date. She's hot as hell but shes definitely got some androgynous features .I feel like she thinks Im a ***** now because I didn't try and bang her...

When my friends assured me that she was probably a real girl I decided to give it a chance, and sure enough saw childhood photos of her....shes indeed a real girl. But obviously I cant tell her "look the reason I didnt try and bang you a while ago is not because Im a p$ssy but because I thought you might of been a chick with a di$k"

The whole situation is just fuc%ed. she's still talking to me however, and the last date ended in a make out session...hasn't written me off so maybe I will be able to salvage it.
Unfortunately from experience, I have went out on dates with a tranny without knowing. It's bullsh!t that you have to find out for yourself. If you have a hint of doubt, please trust your instincts. I hope the following helps out -

1) Pick a random chick in a dress facing away from you. Ask 'her' "That dress looks pretty nice, I wonder if she's actually a cross-dresser"
- Normal chicks will laugh it off, if they are interested in you. Trannies will easily get offended.

2) Trannies tend to over-compensate femininity. I don't know how to test it.

3) They can't produce natural lubricant, I HOPE you didn't come this far....Fortunately, I bailed out before sh!t got real, 75% sure she was born a dude, but I didn't want to find out.

Always. Trust. Your. First. Instinct.


There's an article by Tucker Max that will change your life. :^)
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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InnerHappiness said:
Unfortunately from experience, I have went out on dates with a tranny without knowing. It's bullsh!t that you have to find out for yourself. If you have a hint of doubt, please trust your instincts. I hope the following helps out -

1) Pick a random chick in a dress facing away from you. Ask 'her' "That dress looks pretty nice, I wonder if she's actually a cross-dresser"
- Normal chicks will laugh it off, if they are interested in you. Trannies will easily get offended.

2) Trannies tend to over-compensate femininity. I don't know how to test it.

3) They can't produce natural lubricant, I HOPE you didn't come this far....Fortunately, I bailed out before sh!t got real, 75% sure she was born a dude, but I didn't want to find out.

Always. Trust. Your. First. Instinct.


There's an article by Tucker Max that will change your life. :^)
The overcompensating femininity is the main reason why I was suspicious in the first place. That in combination with her very feminine nickname, her massive tits which looked fake at first, and why is a chick that hot into a guy like me.....all set off the alarms. HOWEVER...I saw pictures of her in her home as a young child with her parents... She's always been a chick, just has high test levels IMHO.
 
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