"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Do Bar Girls Make Low Quality Woman?

soulforge

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So one of my freinds has recently started dating this female.. this chick is 43 and hitting the bars nearly every weekend..

She is one of these social types, dressed up sexy, out with her mates from one bar to another..

Here is the thing, my mate is getting the feels for this one, and we spoke last night.. I kinda feel he could be investing in a low quality woman here..

My mate believes if he talks to her, she might cut down the bars or even quit that kinda lifestyle..

My 2 cents... i think he's betting on the wrong horse here.. she could flip the script on him at anytime, and go back to her old lifestyle again!!

What you think of woman who hit the bars guys???
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Fix....? Fix what exactly? Who is he to tell that a person is broken in the first place?
im quoting chris brown here:"stop captin savin,saranadin' em hoes"
 

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I think is is more important to understand that you cant change anyone. the only thing you can do is communicate your standards and see how they respond. if she's more interested in a quality relationship, her behavior will change - you wont know if that is permanent for a bit tho
 

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Yet another dude who likes to test the already tested saying "Can't make a hoe into a housewife". Well, good luck to your friend, may his heart heal quickly LOL
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I'm assuming your friend is in his 40s too,

i'm amazed that a guy his age wouldn't know by now that you dont take these bar skanks seriously....hell you don't take most women serious espeically bar/club girls
But it makes sense a lot of guys are suckers for a pretty face and body and thristy for some moist coochie
 

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I'm assuming your friend is in his 40s too,

i'm amazed that a guy his age wouldn't know by now that you dont take these bar skanks seriously....hell you don't take most women serious espeically bar/club girls
But it makes sense a lot of guys are suckers for a pretty face and body and thristy for some moist coochie
This man.. i think he is going to crash and burn..

i have been in a similar situation myself with a bar girl.. and it did not end well..they will give that chit up for a while, but will always revert back to there old ways..

My mate is 39.. i have told him to have some fun with her, but DO NOT consider her as anything more serious than that..

From what he has told me, she has daughters who are also big drinkers.. and very superficial types, they look up to the likes of the Kardashians lol


Man i hope he wakes up, and takes my advice on board.
 

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Has anyone made this jump? Because some of us have been male bar h0es but grew up and like something more fulfilling than switching females.
 

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unless she only goes to bars to meet guys she probably won't stop anytime soon
 

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Bar girls make it low to the ground on their knees in the bathroom when svcking my.... Oh nevermind, you asked about LOW quality women not LOW to the ground women. Wrong thread sorry.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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43 years old...Hitting the bars every weekend...do you even need to ask if she's low quality?
 

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She's single 43 and a bar star for a reason.
Low quality. Kick her to the curb after pounding her.
 

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She's a Bar Fly / Hor! Say NO to Ho's!
 

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If there is one painful thing I've learned in life, is to never take chicks who work at restaurant/bars or any women who frequent bars seriously.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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She just needs to be a single mother, have an std and possibly vote for leftist parties then she got it all.

Buy your friend a straitjacket so he wont harm himself while you find a therapist for him.
 

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I'd get to know the person first before I defined them based on where they hang out.

There are times in my life that I hang out in bars "nearly every weekend". lol, that certainly doesn't make me low quality.

I know a few 40yo single females that are HB7's-8's that hang out in bars frequently. They aren't there getting wasted and picking up dudes. They certainly aren't low quality individuals. They are all educated and have solid careers. They are there because they are highly social and don't like sitting at home by themselves.
 

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She just needs to be a single mother, have an std and possibly vote for leftist parties then she got it all.

Buy your friend a straitjacket so he wont harm himself while you find a therapist for him.
I spoke to him again last, he really believes that this chick will give up the bar girl lifestyle for him..

It's true man.. and I am including myself in this... We just do not learn, up until we have been seriously screwed over, and that miserable pain we go through eventually wakes us the f@@k up..

my ex was also a bar girl.. she loved going out, dressing up, looking sexy.. I tell you man, you cannot fully trust these girls..

You will always worry about her lifestyle.. Even if she promises to leave that type of lifestyle behind.. once her IL level drops, she will back in those fuking bars again
 

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I spoke to him again last, he really believes that this chick will give up the bar girl lifestyle for him..

It's true man.. and I am including myself in this... We just do not learn, up until we have been seriously screwed over, and that miserable pain we go through eventually wakes us the f@@k up..

my ex was also a bar girl.. she loved going out, dressing up, looking sexy.. I tell you man, you cannot fully trust these girls..

You will always worry about her lifestyle.. Even if she promises to leave that type of lifestyle behind.. once her IL level drops, she will back in those fuking bars again

You can't trust anyone these days. Those types of women just want to have fun, they're not capable of having a healthy emotional attachment. My ex would frequent her old bar she worked at alone, then come home without telling me. I'd smell the alcohol on her breath, then she would say "oh yeah, I was at the bar just having a couple", and also try to make me jealous by telling me about all the guys who were hitting on her. This is coming from a girl who told me was going to quit drinking when we started dating. As the relationship progressed, so did her drinking.

They are fun girls, but smash n dash is the only way. Sure, there will be a random chick at a bar who isn't an alky and is LTR material, but lets be honest here, it's rare. The problem is, these chicks are freaks, they're fun, and they can be addicting. Think with your brain, not your mushroom tip!
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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