"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Do any of you feel playing a role isn't worth it in the end?

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I know we are supposed to work to be our best in life. But do you ever find yourselves playing a role (even if it's partially or mostly true) and getting tired of it?

I've never played a role but it almost seems like that's more "respected" these days.

Do you ever find yourself playing a role and getting tired of it regardless of if it gets you chicks? Almost like it's not worth it in the end?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Unless you know who and what you are and why you are here, nothing is worth it.

Anything else is just a pointless distraction.
 

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"playing a role" is very vague. We aren't mind readers here. Do you have any examples?
 

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Yeah playing a role, acting a certain way just because you think it might get you chicks or because it does occassionally isn't worth it.

Much better to work on your beliefs and inner programming so you can express your real self.

I used to really play this role and wasn't comfortable with it, and 2-3 months into a relationship it would fall apart because my insecurities would come out and it would ruin it and they never lasted past 3 months.

But working on myself and becoming more 'me' they consistently last longer and are much better, with much less drama and bs.

The 'just be yourself' thing. Is more the 'yourself' without the insecurities and thinking you have to play a certain role to get something, having a strong identity and not always deferring to others.

Staying true to yourself sometimes upsets other people but they will respect you more for sticking to it. People playing a role and pretending will not have respect in the long term.
 
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When I started being indifferent with women a couple of months ago, it got emotionally tiresome. After a date proposal or a date itself, I would wait for them to contact. Sometimes it would take a couple days just to have a flake text. Those few days of no contact after what you thought was a good date were the worst. 80% of the time they will re-initiate contact with you so don't give up.

It's a good measure of interest and the ones with minimal are weeded out. Over time, you build a stronger character and no longer gets to you.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Naughty Ninja said:
I know we are supposed to work to be our best in life. But do you ever find yourselves playing a role (even if it's partially or mostly true) and getting tired of it?

I've never played a role but it almost seems like that's more "respected" these days.

Do you ever find yourself playing a role and getting tired of it regardless of if it gets you chicks? Almost like it's not worth it in the end?
Playing a role can get you more action, but what makes you happier is following Anti-Dumps philosophy.

Yeah you might get less women but the ones who stick around like you and what you do, not who you pretend to be or what you pretend to do.
 

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What role are you referring to? It should be something you enjoy.

Take exercise for example. I work out every day, but I do it because I enjoy it, not because someone said I should do it. I like how it makes me look and feel. I like proving to myself that I can go beyond my limits. That could be a 'role', but one I enjoy playing.
 

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I hate trying to fill in dead spots in the conversation. When you are with a guy friend or male family member you can be quiet for extended periods of time and its totally cool and accepted. Picture two men fishing if you don't get what I mean.

With women, I have to force myself to talk when I have nothing to say at that moment so her ADD hamster doesn't get uncomfortable and lose interest.
 

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ArcBound said:
Playing a role can get you more action, but what makes you happier is following Anti-Dumps philosophy.

Yeah you might get less women but the ones who stick around like you and what you do, not who you pretend to be or what you pretend to do.
+1 for anti dumps philosophy, solved 99% of my issues.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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To be honest using my hand is less hassle.

It's all a big Fvck up. I don't like making out with girls I don't have a "connection with".. But also that connection is not worth it.
 

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You can always "re-wire" your brain to be something that you want to be. Nature is always influencing who we become. For example, if there is a characteristic you want to improve on, the more you act and work on that characteristic, the more likely you will become that person.

So to say we are role playing or whatnot, we are really just working on who we want to become. And eventually it will become hardwired into your brain, a part of you self conscious if you will. The more you instill and try to attain this "character trait", "role playing" you will in time attain this trait. You have re-wired your brain. This is off topic, but human brains are very plastic, meaning it's very flexible and able to adjust or adapt.
 

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I care about people so not caring about chicks and getting laid a lot more now without ever getting hurt is bitter sweet
 

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Falcon said:
"playing a role" is very vague. We aren't mind readers here. Do you have any examples?

Dude I honestly I can't even remember why the hell I started this thread to begin with last night.

Most likely because I was at a friends house having drinks and doing shots of Tequila then when I got home the alcohol really hit me and I couldn't sleep so I just kept myself busy waiting for it to wear off.

I'm surprised I was actually able to type it in semi-coherent sentences. lol.


I'd guess I was thinking along the lines of you're expected to play some sort of "appealing" role these days to be "accepted". Almost like in the Facebook world. Everyone trying to brag or one up the next person, have some farce social proof etc. or else not being a sheep to nonsense you are somehow seen as the guy who isn't "with it". I've dropped that Flakebook nonsense a while ago and it's always been boring to me to be in pissing contests with insecure sheep who have some overwhelming need to be "cool". Like: Gotta have the latest iPhone, car, etc. to "wow" the rest of the sheep who will soon be tripping over themselves to one up you no matter how broke and in debt they are.

It seems like for most of society it's almost the norm these days.
 
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