"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Do any of yall have orbiters, vassals, or girls for attention

Dhoulmagus

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I have 5 girls I use for that, but I would never have sex with them. Yet, I haven't had sex since February :(
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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oOh Nasty

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I almost considered sleeping with one of my orbitors...but at the last moment, I just couldn't. She's a very nice girl, but there are just too many things unattractive to me about her physically. There's no way I can get past it. Her body is not really fat, but her face makes it look like she's a little chubby. I don't like her hands...she has manly hands. And also, she has extreme emotional problems. Out of the blue, on a peaceful normal sunny day, she'll go all out crazy confession mode and creep me the hell out. I haven't spoken to her in about 3 weeks but I figure I'll message her again sometime because she's decent company.
 

The Duke

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I've had a few off and on over the years. Most of them during my more beta moments in life. Very few did I even want to have sechs with due to lack of looks. Most of them I got bored with after a while and they faded away after I chose not to escalate the relationship. I really think they were hoping for more, like most male orbiters. I just don't have much use for women unless I am sexually attracted to them.

I've got one now I keep around for when I want to go drink and have a female to talk to. She is pretty much the only female "friend" I have. Every once in a while I invite her over to sleep in my bed, but I don't have sechs with her. We used to date years ago, but that was when her body was rocking. She would like to date again but its not going to happen. The looks just aren't there anymore plus a few too many bits of crazy.
 
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Bible_Belt

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I wouldn't call her an orbiter, but I have one good female friend right now, which I always thought was impossible. The secret? We've fvcked several times, gotten that out of the way, and can now look at other as people instead of sex partners.
 

Poon King

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Female orbiters are kind of a waste of time since relationships with women are generally higher maintenance. Most women need fairly consistent attention or they get salty and grumpy. With male friends.. you can go weeks or months without talking and still be good friends without any issues. I would rather spend my time and energy on someone I'm sleeping with or with a male buddy.

Remember.. if a woman's vagina is an apartment.. then attention is rent. Why would you pay rent for an apartment you don't use?

But I always considered plates to be the female version of an orbiter anyway.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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El Payaso

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Female orbiters are kind of a waste of time since relationships with women are generally higher maintenance. Most women need fairly consistent attention or they get salty and grumpy.
I completely agree with this. I do have some orbiters and my God, they are needy as fvck. Constant attention seeking and what not. It's almost like a full time job.

I kid you not, one of them jumped in front of my car just to get my attention. What a nutjob.
 

daddymonsterpoodle

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I do. I have 3. One is an ex who couldn't handle polygamy but is still keen to bonk. Another, who is just friends at the moment but wants to be my sex slave. I have another who started off as a maybe but is a great friend now, although there is a little not of sexual tension there as well ( just how I like it).
The secret for me seems to be acknowledging the sexual interest but also being honest about what you want, whether that is a friendship, being **** buddies or having a ONS.
 
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