"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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displaying higher values online ( without a phyiscal medium)

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displaying higher values

Hello there,

Let me briefly introduce myself to the community. I am a new member the community and I consider myself as an AFC that is in meta-morphosis. I have an LTR that has been going on for 2 years, and although I am physically away from her for 6-7 months ( we're living in different cities because of work problems) , I haven't explored any other possibilites, however, recently I have been on the lookout for opportunities and met with a few chicks from my work and contacted them online.

I don't have an established physical medium to constantly meet with this women, but I managed to increase the communication level online by chatting with the two for about 1-2 hours recently. To be perfectly honest, I don't have many plates ( other than my LTR and these two women ) and I feel that the way to being a DJ starts somewhere from here. I believe I have the toolbox to increase their interes level (one of them seems like she's already interested) without being too much available/ thus creating an image that they are my only plates.

So my questions : How can I really simulate that I am a desired man who has many other options, and at the same time, I need to be in some sort of communication with these women because their ILs are simply too low at the moment.

My conflict is , whenever I call one up, I am degrading my value on their perspective and that eventually breaks the whole purpose.

So I am pointing out a theoretical conflict here, - to increase a woman's IL and not to seem like they are the only plates you have.

Thnaks for the comments!

appa
 
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Deal with people in person (meet women in real life not on line). That would be a good start.

Also, DJism is not about picking women. It is more about self-improvement.
 

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Latinoman said:
Deal with people in person (meet women in real life not on line). That would be a good start.

Also, DJism is not about picking women. It is more about self-improvement.
Hey man! How are you?
 

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Hey man! How are you?
Doing great! Was sick for a couple of days and spent both days either sleeping or posting in here. LOL.

Other than that, I am doing great. Spending some time with the kids, etc.

What about you?
 

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appasionata--what Latinoman said about self-improvement.

However, if you are looking for a new girlfriend, you need to break up with your current girlfriend first. You owe it to her, just as she would owe it to you if she were looking.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Latinoman said:
Deal with people in person (meet women in real life not on line). That would be a good start.

Also, DJism is not about picking women. It is more about self-improvement.
I didn't say I am trying to pick up women. I am trying to get myself convinced that my LTR is not my only option and the only way I can do it is by spinning more plates.

In order to meet with women who are not very much familiar with you in the beginning you have to initiate some contact - by calling or communicating.

and that by itself damages your image -

that was the question
 

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##17 said:
appasionata--what Latinoman said about self-improvement.

However, if you are looking for a new girlfriend, you need to break up with your current girlfriend first. You owe it to her, just as she would owe it to you if she were looking.
No I don't have to break up with her while I am on the lookout. I might not be as interested,
and secondly, why would I risk my LTR in this case where I can discover possibilities at zero risk ?
 

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Latinoman said:
Doing great! Was sick for a couple of days and spent both days either sleeping or posting in here. LOL.

Other than that, I am doing great. Spending some time with the kids, etc.

What about you?

Cool. Hopefully you are feeling better though!

Things are going well for me, thanks. Right now I am posting from an internet cafe--supposed to be doing some work, LOL. Met someone in the grocery store the other day, going to get together with her tomorrow...
 

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appasionata said:
I didn't say I am trying to pick up women. I am trying to get myself convinced that my LTR is not my only option and the only way I can do it is by spinning more plates.
You don't spin plates when you are in a COMMITTED relationship. Unless...you want to cheat. Which is your prerrogative as I am not here to preach you on morals.

In order to meet with women who are not very much familiar with you in the beginning you have to initiate some contact - by calling or communicating.
You can communicate without calling. Sometimes communication could be in the form of your posture or how you carry yourself...that could bring a smile or a well placed glance at you from the woman...and vice-versa.

and that by itself damages your image -

that was the question

Since when talking to people damage your image?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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##17 said:
Cool. Hopefully you are feeling better though!

Things are going well for me, thanks. Right now I am posting from an internet cafe--supposed to be doing some work, LOL. Met someone in the grocery store the other day, going to get together with her tomorrow...
EXCELLENT! One of the best places to meet a woman...the grocery store.
 

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appasionata said:
No I don't have to break up with her while I am on the lookout. I might not be as interested,
and secondly, why would I risk my LTR in this case where I can discover possibilities at zero risk ?
I know what you are trying to do. That is NOT spinning plates. You are trying to branch swing.

I don't think I want to help you with that.
 

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Latinoman said:
Appasionata...are you a woman too?
yeah I am a chick that is in disguise. you should put a chick test before you allow people register to this site...
;)


No, I am not a woman, don't worry about that
 

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You want to come across as interested in them but at the same time not needing them.

How I let them know I'm high value is by indirectly telling them that I have high standards (which I do). ie I just mention past relationships where the girl didn't live up to my standards etc..

Also don't say you're looking for a relationship. What I do here is say I'm not looking for a relationship but I'm open to the possibility if somebody comes along who satisfy me.

Regarding calling them up... I've always found that the best thing to do is take it slowly DHV etc increase their interest levels and let them chase after you. NEVER chase women it's a major turnoff. So be prepared to take things slowly and at the womans pace.

Having said all that the best way to become high value is to develop a high value mindset.
 

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appasionata said:
yeah I am a chick that is in disguise. you should put a chick test before you allow people register to this site...
;)


No, I am not a woman, don't worry about that
The reason I asked is because of the "appasionata" nick-name. That's all.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Latinoman said:
I know what you are trying to do. That is NOT spinning plates. You are trying to branch swing.

I don't think I want to help you with that.
I don't think I am here to seek help from "only" you.

Are you representing the whole community's views?

It's amazing that you have ethical concerns while the mere existance of this forum is also debatable in terms of ethics.

I am not gonna argue about that here. Please don't help if you are not comfortable with my views.

appasionata is a Beethoven sonata, if you listen the piece ( 3rd movement ) you'll be convinced that I am not a woman
 

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appasionata said:
I didn't say I am trying to pick up women. I am trying to get myself convinced that my LTR is not my only option and the only way I can do it is by spinning more plates.

In order to meet with women who are not very much familiar with you in the beginning you have to initiate some contact - by calling or communicating.

and that by itself damages your image -

that was the question
You're using chick-logic, dude. Stop using chick-logic. That's a first step towards DJ-ism--NOT accepting second-rate behavior from yourself.

What you are planning to do is what we call 'branch-swinging', something that women typically do. If you were really into your S/O, you wouldn't feel the need to look as you seem to now.

If you want to see what else is out there to the point where you're pursuing things online, show your current girlfriend some respect and break up with her now.
 

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EXCELLENT! One of the best places to meet a woman...the grocery store.

I will keep you posted, my friend...
 

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appasionata said:
I don't think I am here to seek help from "only" you.

Are you representing the whole community's views?

It's amazing that you have ethical concerns while the mere existance of this forum is also debatable in terms of ethics.

I am not gonna argue about that here. Please don't help if you are not comfortable with my views.

appasionata is a Beethoven sonata, if you listen the piece ( 3rd movement ) you'll be convinced that I am not a woman
I don't care about the ethics. It has nothing to do with that.

The reason I won't help you is that if you want to be man enough as to cheat and potentially hurt the woman in your long term relationship (and for that matter potentially hurt yourself if caught)...then you might as well be man enough to go out there and face this on your own. It is about accountability. I am not going to do the dirty job for you.
 

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##17 said:
You're using chick-logic, dude. Stop using chick-logic. That's a first step towards DJ-ism--NOT accepting second-rate behavior from yourself.

What you are planning to do is what we call 'branch-swinging', something that women typically do. If you were really into your S/O, you wouldn't feel the need to look as you seem to now.

If you want to see what else is out there to the point where you're pursuing things online, show your current girlfriend some respect and break up with her now.
I am not accepting second-rate behavior which is waiting here very far away from my current gf, doing nothing. That's second-rate behaviour for my standards. I don't know about your standards though

I am not pursuing things online, because the people in question are from my work place,

and although I did explain it and you didn't get it, i am not necessarily trying to 'branch-swing'...
 
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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