Different value systems

[Reykhel]

So many different value systems at play in the forum.

If you observe many of the threads here you'll notice a subtle attempt (or not so subtle) to propagate a certain value system often at the expense of proliferating another value system...

I don't get it. What's the obsession with having everyone validate your own value system?

Don't get me wrong, so many threads are helpful and offer value, experience and wisdom without trying to force a value system down your throat. We all have our own value systems, our own philosophies.......

.....hell, the sexual strategy argument/debate is a prime example. I've had my faire share of LTR's but they wouldn't be my cup of tea these days (in fact I kind of have one not really wanting one/ a plate who I gave perhaps too much time to and it developed...) ....but it would not really be my life philosophy (I'll not let it happen again). However, I'll not force that value on someone who believes in LTR's.

Why not offer the guy advice based on his own sexual strategy?

Bill Hicks made a comment based on critics of marijuana when he heard them say "marijuana kills your motivation"......Bill responded "what if your life goal is to get stoned all day and watch cartoons in your underwear?"

Different value systems.

I wonder is it virtue signaling or in game vocabulary DHV'ing

 

[Serenity]

You're right. Personally I prefer LTR, but I have nothing against other people not wanting that. One side isn't objectively better than the other, I just clearly prefer one side but also understands the other side.

 

[guru1000]

Hey Reykel, some value systems may be superior and beneficial than others, right? Let's take a young man with little experience in life. He's financially successful and wants to get married to a woman from an impoverished family. We tell him not to get married, or in the event he elects to get married, get a seasoned attorney and write up an ironclad prenup. Some of the more experienced guys here will advise him to keep all assets in a trust managed by an LLC and don't co-mingle personal and business. Buy the marital home as a business asset and ensure the mortgage payments are paid by the LLC. And so on and so forth.

Why do we advise in such a way? Because some of us understand the laws, and many of us have experienced the laws firsthand and have become well versed in how to protect ourselves next time around. And thus, we advise this young man accordingly.

Now back to your question: What do we impose our value systems upon others? I personally do it to benefit others based on my personal observation, experience and knowledge. When I advise men not to grab the low-hanging fruit, there is a specific reason collaborated by actual results and experience as to why. Though much of this specific "value" in this "low-hanging fruit" topic is founded to incite motivations and to seek challenges for psychological and (and ironically) spiritual transcendence and evolvement.

 

[WitnessGR]

I don't get it. People on this forum seem to not understand that we all play for the same team. Isn't that why we're here, right? To understand women, share advice, share value systems, share experiences. Why? so that not only we benefit from everyone's collective insight, but everyone else here does too.

I think having a system of values is important, mainly because a lot of the people who are using this site, have little experience or base other than Beta white knight indoctrination they have learned from their mothers and grandmothers.

Grown men acting like women the way they seek validation on here. When did it go from improving yourself and others to pushing your "system" that at best, is situational the clear cut "the best way"

 

[sazc]

people have a need to be right and to win because that makes them feel valued and validated. When their belief system is different than yours it makes them feel that you dont value them. They then feel compelled to argue with you, in an effort to get you to validate them, by changing your viewpoint. When you disagree, they feel invalidated and take it up a notch.

It's really easy to see who the insecure/unsure posers are, just look for the people whom are quick to get offensive and/or throw insults and start drama.

 

[ubercat]

Really shouldn't be an issue it takes a village to raise a DJ. Remember a post is just a soundbite. There would be some boring ass walls of text if a guy had to restate his philosophy on every thread. Bruce Lee had a great impact on My Understanding Of Martial Arts & Sports in general. In the words of the great man add that which is specifically your own. I take a toolbox view. Young guy has time to become a rock star. Why not follow gurus posts and give it a try it will be a lot of growth along the way. LTR needs fixing look at some of my back posts. Want to understand social game and bag young girls checkout smoothmoves and fast life. Of course there are too many making a contribution here to mention and of course I have to mention atomsmasher Espi and Desdinova because they are all round bloody Legends. Bexcellent is a wise lady who brings a welcome different voice to the forum, etc.

Most of the well-known posters here r pretty transparent about their philosophy. The breadth of life experience documented here is amazing. And I'm not just talking about the current contributors the Nuggets that can be found via the search function are well worth the time. I've learnt so much here that sometimes I felt I was drinking from the fire hose.

 

[Reykhel]

some value systems may be superior and beneficial than others, right?

Yeah sure possibly. But according to whose perspective. If we use politics as an example everybody obviously thinks their politics/their system is superior to the other's. Who's right? Don't get me wrong, I believe I'm correct when it comes to politics so I'm not trying to come across as Mr Objective.

He's financially successful and wants to get married to a woman from an impoverished family. We tell him not to get married, or in the event he elects to get married, get a seasoned attorney and write up an ironclad prenup. Some of the more experienced guys here will advise him to keep all assets in a trust managed by an LLC and don't co-mingle personal and business. Buy the marital home as a business asset and ensure the mortgage payments are paid by the LLC. And so on and so forth.

No, that would be solid advice. Perhaps I haven't explained myself well. Like I said there is solid advice and then there is snobbish pushing of one's values. Let's say unsolicited advice.

Let's use the marijuana example. If it's a young kid who's posting and smoking weed then yeah the solid advice here would be "Kid, put the weed down and work on your goals and give yourself a chance in life". If it's an adult who has AN ADDICTION and he's not happy with his life and is looking for advice then....."put the weed etc down work on your goals etc etc"........however, if we have a grown man, an adult who is happily smoking weed as a life choice, that's what the guy wants to do with his life..........who is anyone to come along and offer (unsolicited) advice telling the guy he's a loser for choosing to smoke weed or whatever.........that would be an example of forcing your value system down an unwilling throat......

Now back to your question: What do we impose our value systems upon others? I personally do it to benefit others based on my personal observation, experience and knowledge. When I advise men not to grab the low-hanging fruit, there is a specific reason collaborated by actual results and experience as to why. Though much of this specific "value" in this "low-hanging fruit" topic is founded to incite motivations and to seek challenges for psychological and (and ironically) spiritual transcendence and evolvement.

I understand that and the thread was not really regarding that specifically.

Ok an example would be the snob (can't even remember it's name) who feels that day gaming (fvcking even don't like using that name....approaching women in public) is not a productive use of a man's time. I just think that is so codependent and condescending however we figured out the reason.......the snob was simply rationalizing his lack of courage to approach women by claiming the so called "high calibre women" don't respond to public approaches....

Or for example the different attitudes towards money. Some believe in "work work work earn earn and save until retirement" others believe in "work less more free time....almost semi retired while still healthy" Different value systems

 

[Urbanyst]

It's really easy to see who the insecure/unsure posers are, just look for the people whom are quick to get offensive and/or throw insults and start drama.

Like you?

LOL.