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Delusional Inner Game?

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A simple question for you guys. I'm not looking for some cut-out answer and end-of-discussion quote from a 5 year old post, I'm looking for your opinions and arguments to back it up.

Is it better to just lose yourself to perfect Inner confidence, to just ignore all faults you can't change you may have, and just assume you are the ****, just not caring, OR is it better to have a less delusional sense of confidence, e.g. be confident but remember your faults and keep them from making you act like you think you're king?

And by the first choice of inner confidence, I mean crazy inner confidence. Like you would do anything and just not give a ****.
Which is a better thing to try?
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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There is no such thing as inner confidence. There is only overall confidence, and it is never constant and dependent on past and present successes.
 

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Ease said:
There is no such thing as inner confidence. There is only overall confidence, and it is never constant and dependent on past and present successes.
I would disagree. It is possible to be confident without considering past and present successes, the only problem here is that it is delusional confidence. Is this a good idea?

I could be wrong though. I would like to hear your conterpoint.

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Can you define flaws? Things you yourself consider flaws aren't necessarily flaws.

I think there are 2 types of 'confidence': Self-esteem, and confidence.
If you wanna know more about that stuff, just go onto rsd or read Tolle.

I believe in constantly improving yourself, while having the right mindset and attitude. And so forth.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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spinaroonie said:
Irrational self-assurance beats rational defeatism.

Love it! so true
 

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spinaroonie said:
Irrational self-assurance beats rational defeatism.
That's true, I think.

Since in the first case the OP is talking about ignoring faults that he can't do anything about, I'd say go with the delusional self confidence. I've had some luck with this mindset. It's hard to keep it though. Reality tends to creep in.
 

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I'm not advocate of pure narcissism but consider this:

Is it really worth it to focus on your faults and let them limit your potential? In my opinion it gives far more peace of mind to ignore the faults you cannot change and just go and live your life. EVERYONE got loads of faults and they will not laugh at your faults or judge you that badly.

It's a sliding scale though, you can always focus on things you want to improve but you shouldn't let your faults hold you back or limit your potential. Feel like you are a king and life will be brighter. Just don't act stuck up giving of a "I am better than you" vibe, enjoy life instead.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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This isn't really a personal question, btw. This is more of a curiosity question that I wondered when various articles and posts here talked about inner game, confidence, and some mentions of "delusional confidence" and "egotism". I was wondering what you guys thought on how far you can stretch this out. Will being overconfident to border on narcissist be a bad thing? Is it that these articles intend or is it overdoing it? What do you have to base your confidence on? If you can base your confidence on just a basic thought of being confident because you are you, ignoring any positive parts or faults about you, is this good inner game or delusional narcissism? Isn't it the right thing to do to just fix fixable faults and ignore un-fixable ones? I would like to emphasize again that I would like your points of view on this generally, not advice specific to me. So far I see some people say unfixable faults are best ignored and kept confident, some people say some interesting things like spinaroonie who I repped, and some people say narcissism is bad and some say nay. I am personally not sure about which is bad and which is good, so I would like your opinions on this as a theoretical technique/mindset, how it fits/doesn't fit with the DJ mentality, and what your results were if any for those of you that have tried something like this. How far does all this stuff go before it's bad? How far can you go down the DJ, or alpha, or inner confidence road? How literally can we take some of this advice?

EDIT: The post limit again? I only posted this one post!
 

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Well I can't think of ANY personal trait that cannot be changed, except for maybe facial features and mental illnesses. If you are born with a mental disorder (retardation, aspergers, autism, hereditary diseases, etc.), then there is not much you can do to completely cure it. Even in that situation, however, there is still a lot you can do to improve your condition.

If you have asperger's, a disorder that basically just makes you socially awkward, you can still take steps to learn how to work around the disease. If you ignore the problem and act "delusionally self-confident" you will not acknowledge your flaw, and therefore not be able to help it.

(just for the record I know there's a lot more to aspergers than being socially awkward, i'm just simplifying for the sake of the example)

If you feel there is something holding you back, you ought to fix it.

With that said, you should live your life as close to reality as you possibly can. The reason why you should do this is because anything else is what you rightfully called a delusion. Delusions are bad because they are based on false pretenses, and will eventually lead to incorrect/improper decisions or actions.

Acknowledging your flaws (even if you can't fix them) would allow you to act smarter and make better decisions.

Let's take an example:

John wants to play on the baseball team in High School. He has never played baseball in his entire life, and has cerebral palsy (a degenerative muscle condition that people are born with. There is no cure.) If he were delusionally self confident, he would think that he could play baseball with the best of them. But the reality is, he can barely walk, much less throw a strike-out pitch. So he should instead acknowledge reality and work his way around his unfixable deficiencies in order to become a stronger person.
 

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Delusional self-confidence flat out WORKS with women. It also puts you at odds with society. Like most things in life, it's a trade off. The goal is to strike a balance--at a certain point, narcissism becomes pathological, and will hamper your ability to maintain relationships of all types.

In theory, the natural antagonism between what's good for the individual and what's good for society lies at the core of sexual selection; women overwhelmingly desire the most powerful men that impose THEIR OWN rules on society to father their children. It's the bad boy/ rock star effect --when a man takes center stage and commands attention from the audience, whether figuratively or literally, there is a collective buying temperature spike from the females.

Of course, theory does not always hold up in practice, primarily because this type of narcissistic behavior is BAD for society. So, women will feel attraction for these rebel types while raising their offspring to be " perfect gentlemen"--and that is how the frustration that led to the birth of "game" was born.

This is a roundabout answer, but I find it helpful to understand WHY being a selfish jerk "works," instead of advocating that one emulate this model. There is more to life than pickup, so this kind of behavior should not be taken to extremes--unless you want a life of isolation. In a relationship, this type of behavior can lead to just as much trouble as AFC behavior.

Where delusional inner game DOES have a place is in the "courtship" process--from meeting to sex. This is where ATTRACTION matters above all else, and if you don't believe you're the greatest man who ever lived, she's going to keep holding out for the guy that believes he is.

Now, most of us do NOT possess this type of narcissism, and that means we are psychologically healthy. We CAN tap into this type of belief system for specific purposes, however. A good example is ignoring a s#it test and refusing to qualify yourself--if you are so in love with yourself, you will assume that everyone else sees the same things you do, hence you have nothing to prove. Another example is blowing off rejection and continuing to game--you KNOW that her rejection comes not because she's "better" than you, but simply because she doesn't know you well enough yet. A rational, objective person would NOT necessarily comes to these conclusions had they not studied the female attraction mechanism--this is why logical, intelligent men are RARELY naturals with women. We are often too aware of our own shortcomings and flaws to fully embrace an entirely self-confident view of ourselves.

So, I think the key is not to "trick" yourself into being overconfident (it won't work), but rather, to understand WHY it works and HOW to tap into it in certain situations. The RSD guys do a lot of work in this area--their game is hardly verbal at all and entirely based on the idea of "state"--which is essentially delusional inner game. This works wonders in clubs and with younger, hot women. Of course, without real world success, it's hard to truly get in "state"--it's another catch 22.
 

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The only irrational self confidence you can have is having too much self confidence, ie. complacency. 'I have won the last 10 times, there is no chance i will lose', or 'I have worked harder so i will win there is no chance i will not'.

The idea of 'irrational self confidence' is the idea that there is no chance you will lose. Not that you can do something against your willpower, because no matter how much you try to believe it, it is not possible to convince yourself, unless you suffer from psychosis. You can tell yourself that you can fly, but you will never actually achieve any 'confidence' in your ability to fly, ie. You wont be able to convince yourself. Until the day you can actually fly and succeed in your goal, you wont be able to become confident that you can fly.

The only known and tested way to ever achieve any of this is the self affirmation, simple stuff like saying 'i can do this!', to spur up an adrenaline boost. But it is temporary.

JLW said:
Let's take an example:

John wants to play on the baseball team in High School. He has never played baseball in his entire life, and has cerebral palsy (a degenerative muscle condition that people are born with. There is no cure.) If he were delusionally self confident, he would think that he could play baseball with the best of them. But the reality is, he can barely walk, much less throw a strike-out pitch. So he should instead acknowledge reality and work his way around his unfixable deficiencies in order to become a stronger person.
This is impossible. Because he will never actually believe that he can play basketball if he cant walk. He could believe that one day he can, and that would be self confidence. But if he believed that he was able to do something that he couldn't then he would be 'delusional and detached from reality', and have mental problem.

I'm trying to explain what i said. Here it is again, think about it this time.

Conventional confidence is never constant and dependent on past and present successes.
Not necessarily temporary, not necessarily dependent on failures, and as far as i believe mostly not dependent from what you tell yourself.

I would like to be proven wrong if someone could show me how you can achieve confidence without success.
 

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Ease said:
The only known and tested way to ever achieve any of this is the self affirmation, simple stuff like saying 'i can do this!', to spur up an adrenaline boost. But it is temporary.
I don't think the idea of irrational self confidence is that you can't lose.
Maybe that you are unlikely to lose, or that you will win most of them.
Nobody bats 1.000.

But I agree it's a temporary boost.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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There is extensive research which shows that people who are more honest in self-assessment are less happy. However, this research was all conducted post-1900. When communities where smaller, and people used to give a damn about character (vs. superficial presentation), people were forced to be more accountable. If you displayed a lack of virtue, there were consequences. Nowadays people only care about material concerns, like what makes the most facebook friends and what makes the most money. Therefore there is no check in place on personality traits which detract from the overall level of happiness in society, such as narcissism and arrogance. This is relevant because the current state of society is unsustainable, and must come crashing down to the ground eventually, to a more natural state of affairs.
 

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Ease said:
I would like to be proven wrong if someone could show me how you can achieve confidence without success.
You can't. If you did, it would be called "delusional confidence" (as the OP said). And that's why delusional confidence is bad. It's....a.....DELUSION!
 

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One good thing about the delusional self confidence mindset is that even if it's just a temporary spike it probably raises your baseline self esteem overall, if you use it repeatedly.

I think when I was younger I used to sell myself short, value wise. I think I missed out on a lot of opportunities because I didn't think I had the value. I could have used some of that delusional self confidence then.

Face it, no one knows for certain what their perceived value is. They can estimate it, ballpark it, but I don't think anyone knows exactly. No one says "I am exactly a 7.4".
 

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zekko said:
Face it, no one knows for certain what their perceived value is. They can estimate it, ballpark it, but I don't think anyone knows exactly. No one says "I am exactly a 7.4".
Yeah, because it's all relative.

Some people will find you ugly and some will find you attractive.

If you make 9.00 an hour here in America, some person in some 3rd world country is going to think you are rich.
 

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I think self-confidence fits in with common advice on the DJ articles and posts
always assume attraction
Isn't this delusional self-confidence as well? And yet it is good advice, right?
 
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