"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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first off im gonna say that this is long. second off im gonna say that its well worth the read :p . pure interesting/intellectual conversation. ill admit it, when a guy comes on here and talks for an hour about one single girl and what happened a month ago blah blah blah im an AFC help me please etc. i skip it. no fvcking way im gonna read it all. yeah right. more like the first two lines. but this topic is way different. its good :)

it was originally directed towards PuertoRican_Lover, and i was going to PM him about this, but i decided to be greedy and get all of the responses i could get ;) .

PuertoRican_Lover, ive seen a lot of your posts lying around. im curious about what exactly your philosophy is on women/life/god/whatever. care to share with me? ;)

it seems you believe that things have a natural order to it. nature all works out perfectly and is a beautiful thing. for example people naturally and biologically and psychologically like sex and are attracted to the opposite gender. i completely agree with this. and i know that you abhor homosexuality because of how it goes against nature (and while i agree it doesnt seem like the right thing to do, im not quite as anti-gay as you are :) ). my god, women go through hours of horrible pain to give birth to children, yet theyre attracted to the pain and want it and get pleasure from sex? theyre drawn to the d1 ck. thats nature working. without it we would be extinct. :eek: (well more like we would have never existed).

one other thing that seems to be natural is that men make the move and women are the receivers. men are dominant. whether its a "hor" or a "lady" (lol)... which means that men are the ones who approach. so while women might seem to have the advantage, all they can really do is make themselves attractive and hope men approach, which explains all the attention hors. the game for women is to make yourself the most physically attractive girl that you can. but men, men can take 50 rejections in one week and still go out there and try again and again, and even if you only have a 1% chance of scoring, with every 100 women you WILL score. as long as men act the way they naturally are supposed to, they WILL get their play and reproduce. just takes some manliness. so really we are at the advantage here too.

anyway the whole natural thing makes a lot sense to me. im not even sure ive ever heard any other theory that made sense to me. in fact, i dont think ive ever thought/heard of any other theories period (unless you wanna substitute nature for god. in my opinion they are sinanyms). anyway, this is pretty much what ive believed until now, and then a thought came to me, and ive been thinking about it a lot. its actually kind of bothering me.

the all important question is: what if you were a woman?

seriously, what if you were a woman and you realized all of this? what if you were a woman and you had the exact same opinions as you do now about how life works? would you have a sex change operation? kill yourself? accept your "doomed fate," the fate you "received" before you were even born? doesnt it seem unfair?

i am aware that life is simply not fair. some people are taller, some are smarter, some are mentally handicapped, some are deformed, some have a small d 1 c |< etc... but to say that all women have a place as a woman underneath the man? not that they cant get a job. not that they arent allowed to get an education. not that they arent allowed to leave the kitchen. but... to be dominated. to be under control of the man. to, 99% of the time, WANT to be under control of a man. to WANT to receive and be submissive and be put in her place. but still, even if they do, is it really fair? it seems a bit cruel no? and not all women are like that. are those women in fact defects? if a woman likes to approach guys and isnt afraid to do it, then is it really going against one of the fundamental ways that the universe works?

imagine you were a woman and came to this site. imagine that you saw what your role was in nature. how would you feel?

it is VERY easy to say everything i just said as a man, just like its easy to put down black people if youre white: youre not one of them who cares. but america developed a concsience and decided enslaving the black people was wrong. they imagined being in their shoes and saw that just because their skin had pigments making it dark didnt mean they were underneath the white man.

the women saw this and said to the men, "hey! imagine if you were a woman!" and then everyone everywhere started saying this to all people. all of the sudden the death penalty was an uncivilized crime no matter what they did, and bombing the country that supports the terrorists who bombed your two largest buildings in your country became violent and wrong... thus an era of uncontrolled females was born for the first time in history (im pretty sure :D ).

what do you have about say all of this? what is your view on sex and relationships? is it fair? it doesnt seem like it is. i think the #1 cause for mistakes i ever make with chicks is just my disbelief. does she really want to be dominated? does she really want to be under my control? is that how i am supposed to act with women to get laid? most of my lays come from being funny, fun, laid back etc. never really the dominating guy. even if it does feel right, i have a hard time accepting that its what they really want. it just... doesnt make sense. WHY the FVCK would you WANT to be under someone? and WHY the FVCK would you find that kind of a person the perfect person to have ONS/relationship with? why dont women want equality? i know they claim they do and its all media BS. i think i get it that they are under men and that the WAY to ATTRACT women is to be OVER them. it just doesnt make sense...

holy sh1t whats waaaaay too many questions sorry guys. i just started thinking and got carried away with it heh.

if you have anything significant to add please do. correct me, add to it, agree, disagree (state why!), etc. im looking for a good intelligent open minded conversation. but keep in mind that if anyone flames me i wont even bother defending myself. i will just ignore you.
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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If the girl likes the dude that much, she would let him be dominant or whatever you want to call it...Its like how some dudes have a hard time talking to certian women, but if they find one they like, everything is natural...Thats how its supposed to work I guess...
 

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Well for one being the one NOT incontroll is easier, or everyone would be a leader. And if you "got off" I'm saying this in a figurative sence, by being dominated then you would wnat to be dominated.

As for what I Think I know about God. He (I'm saying he beacuse it's easy, and doesn't matter.) does not care how many times you pray a day, or wether you go to church(being a place of whorship.) every Sunday, or I believe Friday if your Muslim and I also think it's friday for Jews.(Correct me if I'm wrong). He only cares wether you try to do good for the sake of being good. Not beacuse it will help you any way.
 

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True. Hypothetically, saying in this case that God exists, what if you were born in the Middle East and were raised to be a Muslim? What if you were told that, if you sacrificed your own body to fight the power of the evil Americans, that you would be blessed for all eternity, is it your fault? Would non-believers be punished simply because their environment caused them to not believe in God?

This train of thought brought me to another weird idea. If we are simply what we have been influenced by, then how can we be eternally punished for what we become? Can anything truly be blamed on a person for his/her actions? Do we even have a choice in what we do, or is it all just cause and effect?

Good to get that off my chest:p
 

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Well acording to alot of religions you should have seen the light and gone the right path, thats what I don't like about orginized religion today everyone HAS to be right.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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lol well i think you guys have made it pretty clear... religion is BS. is HAS to be, since they all disagree with each other. blah blah blah form of control etc. ...

but honestly, while i do agree with you guys, it has nothing to do with what i posted (or at least i fail to see the connection). the real question is whether or not it makes sense for women to be underneath men. whether the "natural order of things" is fair or just plain cruel. nothing to do with terrorists blowing themselves up because of brainwash, i just gave a few examples to illustrate my point :) .
 

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Originally posted by J-Man
...................one other thing that seems to be natural is that men make the move and women are the receivers. men are dominant. whether its a "hor" or a "lady" (lol)... which means that men are the ones who approach. so while women might seem to have the advantage, all they can really do is make themselves attractive and hope men approach, which explains all the attention hors. the game for women is to make yourself the most physically attractive girl that you can. but men, men can take 50 rejections in one week and still go out there and try again and again, and even if you only have a 1% chance of scoring, with every 100 women you WILL score. as long as men act the way they naturally are supposed to, they WILL get their play and reproduce. just takes some manliness. so really we are at the advantage here too.


I think this is very important observation here you made, newbies listen up. This guy knows his Sh1t. We really have all the advantages in this game of life. You just have to step up and take them. Next time you feel like you cant do it, you cant get these females just remember thats what your here for. You wouldnt be here if you couldn't.


anyway the whole natural thing makes a lot sense to me. im not even sure ive ever heard any other theory that made sense to me. in fact, i dont think ive ever thought/heard of any other theories period (unless you wanna substitute nature for god. in my opinion they are sinanyms). anyway, this is pretty much what ive believed until now, and then a thought came to me, and ive been thinking about it a lot. its actually kind of bothering me.

the all important question is: what if you were a woman?

seriously, what if you were a woman and you realized all of this? what if you were a woman and you had the exact same opinions as you do now about how life works? would you have a sex change operation? kill yourself? accept your "doomed fate," the fate you "received" before you were even born? doesnt it seem unfair?


Good question. But seriously most women don't even think on this level so it's kinda irrelevant, they are wired only to push life as we know it foward. Like one poster said before me, its way easier to supplicate. If you look at things positively then you could see a silver lining in being a female, but its all how you play the game of life. As a matter of fact I think relationships are messed up because too many people are unaware of there natural roles. I blame soceity.



i am aware that life is simply not fair. some people are taller, some are smarter, some are mentally handicapped, some are deformed, some have a small d 1 c |< etc... but to say that all women have a place as a woman underneath the man? not that they cant get a job. not that they arent allowed to get an education. not that they arent allowed to leave the kitchen. but... to be dominated. to be under control of the man. to, 99% of the time, WANT to be under control of a man. to WANT to receive and be submissive and be put in her place. but still, even if they do, is it really fair? it seems a bit cruel no? and not all women are like that. are those women in fact defects? if a woman likes to approach guys and isnt afraid to do it, then is it really going against one of the fundamental ways that the universe works?



I wouldn't call such women defects, rather that they are just as lost as an AFC. AFC=Tomboy/Dominant Female, something or someone influences this behavior I believe, whether its an chemical imbalance or enviromental factors.


imagine you were a woman and came to this site. imagine that you saw what your role was in nature. how would you feel?

it is VERY easy to say everything i just said as a man, just like its easy to put down black people if youre white: youre not one of them who cares. but america developed a concsience and decided enslaving the black people was wrong. they imagined being in their shoes and saw that just because their skin had pigments making it dark didnt mean they were underneath the white man.

the women saw this and said to the men, "hey! imagine if you were a woman!" and then everyone everywhere started saying this to all people. all of the sudden the death penalty was an uncivilized crime no matter what they did, and bombing the country that supports the terrorists who bombed your two largest buildings in your country became violent and wrong... thus an era of uncontrolled females was born for the first time in history (im pretty sure :D ).


When females were allowed to gain power, it totally funked things up as far as roles go. What I mean by power is, they got special privliges that put them above men and women cant handle this type of power because they are so reliant on their emotions to make descisions.



what do you have about say all of this? what is your view on sex and relationships? is it fair? it doesnt seem like it is. i think the #1 cause for mistakes i ever make with chicks is just my disbelief. does she really want to be dominated? does she really want to be under my control? is that how i am supposed to act with women to get laid? most of my lays come from being funny, fun, laid back etc. never really the dominating guy. even if it does feel right, i have a hard time accepting that its what they really want. it just... doesnt make sense. WHY the FVCK would you WANT to be under someone? and WHY the FVCK would you find that kind of a person the perfect person to have ONS/relationship with? why dont women want equality? i know they claim they do and its all media BS. i think i get it that they are under men and that the WAY to ATTRACT women is to be OVER them. it just doesnt make sense...


holy sh1t whats waaaaay too many questions sorry guys. i just started thinking and got carried away with it heh.

if you have anything significant to add please do. correct me, add to it, agree, disagree (state why!), etc. im looking for a good intelligent open minded conversation. but keep in mind that if anyone flames me i wont even bother defending myself. i will just ignore you.
Actually its rather fair, women have intellectual or rather head game dominance, men have the physical. Yeah you got your lays by being who you were but I'd be willing to bet that these relations you had lost steam somewhere along the line and you didnt know why. It's because they wanted a dominant male.
 
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In the beginning male and female had a role and a purpose. To insure the survival of mankind. With the growth of civilization to the point it is today the roles are somewhat blurred and even twisted.

But the basic programming is still within us. Women as I just posted are shown how much control they have by bleeding every month. It's out of their control.

Nature's way of reminding them of their true role.

The ancient Chinese studied energy of man and woman and came up with the little known concept of yin and yang. Male and female. Passive and Agressive.

If you look at the energy of nature then you will see it's macrocosm of energy within man.

Except we above all creatures on this planet can think and choose.

And that is part of the problem.

Women are still drawn to the masculine male. Women are still deep down feminine and desire the man to take control. In todays world you still have women who hate men who do not lead and take control so they don't have to think.

In nature you have the positive and the negative. the positive draws the negative. Their motion creates a flow of energy. That is the way it is.

If you were to take the body of a woman then the energy of that body would change your perceptions and you would be as a woman thinks and does.

If a woman holds these same values that PRL and I share then she will be as my current woman who also believes that the man leads and she follows. She attributes her beliefs on being raised in a very strict religious environment.

If you look at my post on relationships you will see what I'm talking about.

In talking with my woman she see's todays man as becomming femininized. And women are starting to date themselves with this process...dating feminine men who can't make up their minds on something as simple as what to do that night.

Why?

That's the 10,k question of the day.

What's happening to men so that we forget our very natures. Maybe we could put the blame on civilization and how it no longer has need of masculine males who hunt for food.


Civilization is all about socialization and becoming social...femine traits. communication and getting along...also feminine traits.

We as men can no longer just kill our enemies and be on our way. We have to get along in society. Just as women have done for 10,000 years before this (generalization).

But deep inside we are still men and they are still women.

I do not have time for more so peace out
 
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Nature is all about balance. It keeps things in balance. When one side of the scale get's heavy nature compensates by making the other side heavy.

Men are becoming feminine...so of course Women are becoming more masculine to keep shyt in balance.

The way you start it with a woman is the way you will end it. If you start like a fem then you will bring out her masculine traits and get treated like one and that is the way you will end it too...like a femmed out man. I took this post from a ebony board today to show a few players:

I have read several postings on this board from ppl looking for love, or vise vesa., and it hurts me to know that i found my true love yet cannot have her.
I met a young lady on AOL. Sweetest thing ever created by God. We talked online, chatted on the phone, met eachother.....Was a dream come true. I love everything about her, her smile, voice, personality, honesty, determination in everything she does, God fearing attitude, demeanor amongst everyone around her, confidence......i mean, i could go on and on. Thing is, i think i scared her away when i told her i love her after about a couple of months. She told me from the start that she just got out of a bad relationship and not interested in anything but friendship. I knew that. But i couldn't help falling in-love with her. I know she likes me. Baby, please don't block me from sending you emails or IM's, i don't mean to do this, or embarrass you in any way. Please, i can't help the way i feel.
This is all I've got right now. You won't reply my emails or return my calls, well, not as much as you usually did. I want you to know I LOVE YOU! and i can't/wont give up. I'll tell the world how i feel. I'll wait, as long as you want me to. PLEASE...Just talk to me......PLS!!! ....... Damn!!! Why does love have to hurt so much???? I'm loosing my mind.
ButterSW Pls respond, I beg you baby.

This is a man who is out of balance with his true nature.
 
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Nature seems to need this type of man now adays. One who will get stuck on one woman because this is what's needed to increase civilization.

Society breeds these type of men. LTR types. It's in their programming to search out and mate with one female and devote themselves to them.

Shyt gotta run
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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The tip about the natural man and woman should be the single most important factor in the DJ bible. Ignoring the "religion is false" crap here, I will say that I am a conservative Christian, and in the culture, the traditional roles are not only accepted but encouraged. So it's pretty easy for me to embrace them, and my current relationship has been very great so far, involving another very conservative girl, who has a very submissive spirit, great work ethic, likes housework, loves kids, basically has every great quality that any masculine nonliberal man would look for in a wife. If things continue going this smoothly, I'll be one happy man for a looooong time.
 

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If you think that you have met the girl of your dreams and you are only 19 years old, then it is good you are religious because GOD HELP YOU.

Good Luck

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Originally posted by MetalFortress
The tip about the natural man and woman should be the single most important factor in the DJ bible. Ignoring the "religion is false" crap here, I will say that I am a conservative Christian, and in the culture, the traditional roles are not only accepted but encouraged. So it's pretty easy for me to embrace them, and my current relationship has been very great so far, involving another very conservative girl, who has a very submissive spirit, great work ethic, likes housework, loves kids, basically has every great quality that any masculine nonliberal man would look for in a wife. If things continue going this smoothly, I'll be one happy man for a looooong time.
Good for you!!!
 
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Speaking about blurred lines...

I have noticed more and more especially at malls..Guys are pushing the baby strollers... Carrying the babies...cheese, at one time it was only women that did that. Seems to me that these "guy-stroller pushers" are a perfect example of "femine men"
 

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I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Okay to get something straight I like what ALOT of religions stand for. I just don't like the dogma in them. Saying Religion is false is like saying what someone thinks is false you can't do that, but you can dsiagree with them. I already put my thoughts on women and domination.
 

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wow a lot for the replies. im impressed with the conversation so far. especially player_supreme, very interesting.

as Player_Supreme said (according to my interpretation), it makes sense to say that civilization has developed intellectually, therefore giving us a conscience and a sense of right and wrong. so we might THINK it should be otherwise...

...but we are still animals. the only difference between humans and monkeys is A: we have no tail :) and B: we think. while we might be *thinking* in terms of right/wrong, fair/unfair, etc. etc., we are still bald tailess monkeys. we are still animals, and fair or not, thats how it works. no matter how advanced we get (unless we all become robots in the future or something...)

metalfortress said that "The tip about the natural man and woman should be the single most important factor in the DJ bible." i happen to agree with him. everything on this site makes sense with this understanding... and doesnt without it.
 

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Originally posted by Player_Supreme
Nature seems to need this type of man now adays. One who will get stuck on one woman because this is what's needed to increase civilization.

Society breeds these type of men. LTR types. It's in their programming to search out and mate with one female and devote themselves to them.

Shyt gotta run
Actually its all in our genes. Men have two strategies they can choose from when spreading their seed. Like everything else it comes down to quantity v quality.

The Quantity school of thought says have sex with as many women as possible even if that means your progeny might not survive through to adulthood, let alone pregnancy because of your absence.

The Quality school of thought says pick a woman with the highest number of child rearing years ahead of her, have as many children as possible, and then stick around to protect your investment.

Women have their corrolary too:

The Quantity argument says that they should sleep around as much as possible to ensure the maximum output of children and the best genes to help her kids to survive and reproduce.

The Quality argument says find a guy would can provide for you and your offspring.

Obviously, its in the best interest of a woman to find a guy and cheat on him as much as possible. (thing the rich matron who has affairs with her pool boys)

In this way, biology compensates for the men by making babies look more like their fathers and society combats this tendency through the institution of marriage thus allowing the male to protect his investment.

Marriage a masculine concept. Trippy huh?

-Cyrano
 

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Originally posted by CyranoDeBergerac
Actually its all in our genes. Men have two strategies they can choose from when spreading their seed. Like everything else it comes down to quantity v quality.

The Quantity school of thought says have sex with as many women as possible even if that means your progeny might not survive through to adulthood, let alone pregnancy because of your absence.

The Quality school of thought says pick a woman with the highest number of child rearing years ahead of her, have as many children as possible, and then stick around to protect your investment.

Women have their corrolary too:

The Quantity argument says that they should sleep around as much as possible to ensure the maximum output of children and the best genes to help her kids to survive and reproduce.

The Quality argument says find a guy would can provide for you and your offspring.

Obviously, its in the best interest of a woman to find a guy and cheat on him as much as possible. (thing the rich matron who has affairs with her pool boys)

In this way, biology compensates for the men by making babies look more like their fathers and society combats this tendency through the institution of marriage thus allowing the male to protect his investment.

Marriage a masculine concept. Trippy huh?

-Cyrano
first you say that men can go for quantity or quality. then you say that women can too. except THEN you say that the best thing for a woman is to find one man and cheat.

is it not, using this same logic, also true for men then? im pretty sure the idea of having one main woman while cheating is not too uncommon or new.

so i dont see why it wouldnt be like this for men also. making marriage... not masculine or feminine. or both. :)
 

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Originally posted by J-Man
first you say that men can go for quantity or quality. then you say that women can too. except THEN you say that the best thing for a woman is to find one man and cheat.

is it not, using this same logic, also true for men then? im pretty sure the idea of having one main woman while cheating is not too uncommon or new.

so i dont see why it wouldnt be like this for men also. making marriage... not masculine or feminine. or both. :)
The male has the greater investment by sticking around because now he not only has his own mouth to feed, but two others as well. The only impetus he might have for such an act would be to ensure that his child grows to maturity.

It is in a man's best interest to cheat, yes. But he has far more to lose than she does if cheated on.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

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