"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Deciphering Signals

konig87

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Hey Dj's,

So this one girl I have been friends with has a studio with me (a lab basically) and when we are walking in between classes or i am joking around with her she keeps saying that she misses having me in her classes, etc. I thought that was a good sign. Also she does do the typical like arm punching (flirting?), and like randomly poking me with pencils or whatever to get my attention. She has made a lot more effort to sit by me in classes, and walk with me compared to the last time I had her in class (but I am less shy compared to back then as well)

But then she mentioned that I was like a brother to her without the exact wording (this was in response to me being a wiseass and joking around). I've heard mixed things about that statement but my gut feeling was that I have the fun part down but not enough flirting or what. The next day she mentioned that she missed having me in class for like the 4th time or something.

I have my humor/****y style solid I am just working on Kino and eyecontact/smiling more.

My current plan was just to be my typical sarcastic/funny self and see what happens but my curiosity has gotten the better of me. Whats the norm from these types of things? (one of my don juan friends advised that normally to move on but to see if she would commit to hanging out outside of class. I did mention in passing to her once that there was a dollar margarida night at a bar and she responded that she was down. )

And any advice for this girl or if not her, changes for the future?

Thanks,
Konig
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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usscrum

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if she actually said the word "brother", it could be a sign that you are in the friendzone. as pook said:

"you're like a brother to me" = "i consider sex with you to be incest"


sounds like youre getting some solid IOI's though...i would go for it.

invite her out somewhere. if she flakes, try to set up another time. if she doesn't commit to that, move on.
 

TheBucketOfTruth

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What was it exactly that she said? Often you being labeled like a brother can be disastrous, but it depends on the context. Some advise that you treat some women as if they were your bratty little sister, so sometimes a woman might pick up on this. This is probably for the right reasons, though, rather than because your being friendzoned.

So, what was her exact quote?
 

Hughman

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Increase the flirting, more kino, more ****iness, then deny her a bit to mess with her head/be seen being sexual with other girls. See her responses then proceed to decide on asking for a date. It's the best you can do under the circumstances.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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