"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Deangelo's Wedding Video

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I couldn't believe this.

Deangelo was the first guy I ever read on "PUA" and feel like his influence through his videos and book did a lot to help me start getting my life together.

After I watched this, it made me feel like the guy is full of sh1t.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Rubato said:
After I watched this, it made me feel like the guy is full of sh1t.
He's really not. He's a very clever marketer and for us students of business an example of success.
 
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He's really not. He's a very clever marketer and for us students of business an example of success.
There's no question about that. But I wasn't talking about Eban Pagan the marketing guru. I was talking about David Deangelo, the PUA.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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"There are no sins in this relationship. No want or request of yours is off-limits... and whatever you ask for, the answer is 'Yes!'"

Hahaha! This guy's a joke. Or is this a set up or something?
 

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Why would he change his Jewish name to a Latin (Italian) one?
 

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Why would he change his Jewish name to a Latin (Italian) one?
Because David DeAngelo is easier to remember than "Eben Pagan". It's a marketing thing, and he also explained that David is the name of the guy that brought down Goliath. Symbolic stuff. You tend to remember sets of words that have similar ends or beginnings.

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There's no question about that. But I wasn't talking about Eban Pagan the marketing guru. I was talking about David Deangelo, the PUA.
David DeAngelo is NOT a "PUA". That term has been twisted and misconstrued and now has all kinds of negative connotations.

Just because he is an instructor for how to be effective with women does NOT mean that he can't get married. He teaches guys to go after emotionally healthy women and maintain healthy relationships. His last two programs were very deep, and more on the relationship side than the meeting women side. He is not limited to just dating tons of women; he's gotten over that and has finally decided to settle down. There's nothing wrong with that, and it does NOT invalidate what he teaches.
 
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David DeAngelo is NOT a "PUA". That term has been twisted and misconstrued and now has all kinds of negative connotations.

Just because he is an instructor for how to be effective with women does NOT mean that he can't get married. He teaches guys to go after emotionally healthy women and maintain healthy relationships. His last two programs were very deep, and more on the relationship side than the meeting women side. He is not limited to just dating tons of women; he's gotten over that and has finally decided to settle down. There's nothing wrong with that, and it does NOT invalidate what he teaches.
Getting married doesn't invalidate anything. His vows did. After watching his Advanced Dating Techniques, On Being a Man who Naturally Attracts Women, and Deep Inner Game, a lot of what he said in his vows invalidated several of his core concepts:

One of the big things he hits on in his advanced series is the statement "I keep all of my power for me". He reinforces that concept over and over again.

As vatoloco quoted, his line "There are no sins in this relationship. No want or request of yours is off-limits... and whatever you ask for, the answer is 'Yes!" is probably the most egregious violation of his principles in the vows. That goes against like everything he and the people of sosuave would advocate a man do.

So Vice, I don't care that he got married. I would be happy for any man who finds a high value woman and wants to mutually commit the rest of their lives together. Some of the statements in his vows are what I take issue with.
 

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I find DD an egoistic poser. Marketing guru...yes. Role model....no.

"His" techniques are just observations of behavior which works, nothing more. He just packaged it.

His Inner Game series is better but I don't think he got the ideas he presents on inner level....bc he contradicts himself and steers it to conclusion that being a teacher to other men is on top of masculinity pyramid- ego trip.

And yes he loves his own voice.....with a lisp. :eek:

I don't like him I guess.:whistle:

Oh he lost some pounds and grew a nose compared to last time I saw him.

But his bride....no envy there from me. HB4 in my book...possibly a dude.

The speech....incredibly lame, boring and fake.

Anyway....mazeltov
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Rubato said:
Getting married doesn't invalidate anything. His vows did. After watching his Advanced Dating Techniques, On Being a Man who Naturally Attracts Women, and Deep Inner Game, a lot of what he said in his vows invalidated several of his core concepts:

One of the big things he hits on in his advanced series is the statement "I keep all of my power for me". He reinforces that concept over and over again.

As vatoloco quoted, his line "There are no sins in this relationship. No want or request of yours is off-limits... and whatever you ask for, the answer is 'Yes!" is probably the most egregious violation of his principles in the vows. That goes against like everything he and the people of sosuave would advocate a man do.

So Vice, I don't care that he got married. I would be happy for any man who finds a high value woman and wants to mutually commit the rest of their lives together. Some of the statements in his vows are what I take issue with.

Those who can't do, teach, heh.

She was the one being ****y and funny...sorta...over acting too much. He is a joke.
 

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I saw one of his live events once. I got really turned off by his arrogance.
Can you elaborate on this?

And remember that the guy is on one of the biggest days of his life; he can say whatever he wants to say to her. It's not like he has to be ****y and funny ALL the time, and can NEVER say anything that would be "AFC", especially on his wedding day! His standard of what's attractive to him does NOT have to conform to what you or society says is attractive. He does whatever the f*ck he wants, dates whoever the f*ck he wants, and that's pretty much what being a man is all about.
 

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It's he's life he can do what the fvck he want's. You people need to realize that sosuave is'nt a way of life.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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DanelMadr said:
I find DD an egoistic poser. Marketing guru...yes. Role model....no.

"His" techniques are just observations of behavior which works, nothing more. He just packaged it.
This is what I think of him as well. He just copy and pasted material from seduction forums, packaged it, and sold it as his own advice.
 

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Hey Vice, I like your style! Not all jaded and super analyzing.
Good to have a voice of reason on here as a Mod.
 

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I only watched half of it. It was really boring, but i didn't see anything in it that makes me think less of the very basic stuff he teaches... Not sure what you guys expect for wedding vows, but this is pretty standard stuff (well talking about expanding sexual fantasies isn't, but other than that.)... I did feel like he was giving a David Deida seminar at points....

Was he C+F? Not really...
Did he neg her? No...
Did he isolate? Probably at the end of the night...

Do i care? No, it's freaking mushy fake wedding vows that almost everyone who gets married does....

The dumbest thing i see here is someone getting married... Otherwise - just a boring clip that you can find 6000 other ones on youtube.
 

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This guy claims to pull beautiful women, but his bride looks like an anorexic tranny.
 

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"No request is off limit and the answer is yes"????? O...k well, all I can see is that, Well, he's not perfect as this self deception they are engaging in shows. It's just strange that if people can say bs with the right tone and attitude it almost sounds like something of value. Well, maybe he knows something we don't.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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