"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Dealing with girls with LONG term relationship pasts

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Gentlemen,

A question regarding your experience with girls/women who have a LONG term relationship history, or only one or two real "relationships". What are your opinions on these types of women? I've been in a lengthy relationship way back in the day and I know the psychological effect it starts to take on the mind. Most notably "I have so much time invested in this person, I can't just give it up..."

So, in addition to my "plates" I met (a 22 year old) that to the best of my knowledge has "known" this guy for over 5 years. I'm not sure how long they've been dating but i can only assume it's a substantial amount of time (possibly over 4 years). Through the grapevine I've heard that she's been unhappy in the relationship for over a year, bla bla bla. So there could be an open door in the near future.

However, feelings do run deep in LONG relationships, especially in younger girls like this. I also know that should the guy make any attempt to get back with the girl after a breakup (should one come in the near future) she would be more likely to run back and "give another chance" than someone who got out of a shorter relationship.

How do you guys usually handle situations like this, or do you simply pass?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I'm confused. What are you asking us? Be more direct.
 
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Yeah. Weird question.

Are girls out of long term relationships different than regular girls? No. Attraction is attraction. No matter where they come from or what their past is, it all comes down whether or not they're excited about you.

If it's a girl coming out of a 5-year relationship, or a girl who's never had one, they all have the same potential to run off to another man if you're boring them or acting like a wimp.
 
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True,

Yeah it's an odd question. Basically you've just started talking to a girl who is CURRENTLY in a LONG term relationship. Through the grapevine, i have heard that the relationship has been rocky for the past year, and the girl is no longer satisfied by the boyfriend.

Sooo, my question is, have any of you guys had experience setting the groundwork/flirting with a girl who is currently in a rocky LONG term relationship, or a girl who recently got OUT of a LONG term relationship.

I'm curious if anyone has any success dating a girl who has recently come from a very long term relationship.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Fumbduck said:
True,

Yeah it's an odd question. Basically you've just started talking to a girl who is CURRENTLY in a LONG term relationship. Through the grapevine, i have heard that the relationship has been rocky for the past year, and the girl is no longer satisfied by the boyfriend.

Sooo, my question is, have any of you guys had experience setting the groundwork/flirting with a girl who is currently in a rocky LONG term relationship, or a girl who recently got OUT of a LONG term relationship.

I'm curious if anyone has any success dating a girl who has recently come from a very long term relationship.
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I've dated girls in all sorts of situations. Including this. The only advice I can say is, once again, girls are girls and attraction is attraction. You'd game her the same way you'd game a girl at the coffee shop. There's not a special recipe for LONG term relationship girls as opposed to any other type.

So, really...again...her LONG term relationship means nothing. A girl could date a guy for 5 months and be more passionate/heartbroken than a girl who dated a guy for 5 years. You gotta let go of that idea. There are no rules when it comes to emotion.

Either she's attracted to you or she's not. That's all it comes down to. How do you set groundwork? Same way you would with another chick. Talk to her, make her laugh, be a source of fun/excitement. Don't be needy.

Honestly, I'm getting the impression that you need to spin more plates, buddy.
 
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DO as you would do with any other girl, but don't invest too much time in this one. Even if she did break up and come to you, she'd be rebounding and that comes with all sorts of weird stuff. Good for a lay...bad for any sort of real relationship.

Depends on what you want out of this.
 
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