"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Dealing with girls with LONG term relationship pasts

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Gentlemen,

A question regarding your experience with girls/women who have a LONG term relationship history, or only one or two real "relationships". What are your opinions on these types of women? I've been in a lengthy relationship way back in the day and I know the psychological effect it starts to take on the mind. Most notably "I have so much time invested in this person, I can't just give it up..."

So, in addition to my "plates" I met (a 22 year old) that to the best of my knowledge has "known" this guy for over 5 years. I'm not sure how long they've been dating but i can only assume it's a substantial amount of time (possibly over 4 years). Through the grapevine I've heard that she's been unhappy in the relationship for over a year, bla bla bla. So there could be an open door in the near future.

However, feelings do run deep in LONG relationships, especially in younger girls like this. I also know that should the guy make any attempt to get back with the girl after a breakup (should one come in the near future) she would be more likely to run back and "give another chance" than someone who got out of a shorter relationship.

How do you guys usually handle situations like this, or do you simply pass?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I'm confused. What are you asking us? Be more direct.
 
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Yeah. Weird question.

Are girls out of long term relationships different than regular girls? No. Attraction is attraction. No matter where they come from or what their past is, it all comes down whether or not they're excited about you.

If it's a girl coming out of a 5-year relationship, or a girl who's never had one, they all have the same potential to run off to another man if you're boring them or acting like a wimp.
 
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True,

Yeah it's an odd question. Basically you've just started talking to a girl who is CURRENTLY in a LONG term relationship. Through the grapevine, i have heard that the relationship has been rocky for the past year, and the girl is no longer satisfied by the boyfriend.

Sooo, my question is, have any of you guys had experience setting the groundwork/flirting with a girl who is currently in a rocky LONG term relationship, or a girl who recently got OUT of a LONG term relationship.

I'm curious if anyone has any success dating a girl who has recently come from a very long term relationship.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Fumbduck said:
True,

Yeah it's an odd question. Basically you've just started talking to a girl who is CURRENTLY in a LONG term relationship. Through the grapevine, i have heard that the relationship has been rocky for the past year, and the girl is no longer satisfied by the boyfriend.

Sooo, my question is, have any of you guys had experience setting the groundwork/flirting with a girl who is currently in a rocky LONG term relationship, or a girl who recently got OUT of a LONG term relationship.

I'm curious if anyone has any success dating a girl who has recently come from a very long term relationship.
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I've dated girls in all sorts of situations. Including this. The only advice I can say is, once again, girls are girls and attraction is attraction. You'd game her the same way you'd game a girl at the coffee shop. There's not a special recipe for LONG term relationship girls as opposed to any other type.

So, really...again...her LONG term relationship means nothing. A girl could date a guy for 5 months and be more passionate/heartbroken than a girl who dated a guy for 5 years. You gotta let go of that idea. There are no rules when it comes to emotion.

Either she's attracted to you or she's not. That's all it comes down to. How do you set groundwork? Same way you would with another chick. Talk to her, make her laugh, be a source of fun/excitement. Don't be needy.

Honestly, I'm getting the impression that you need to spin more plates, buddy.
 
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DO as you would do with any other girl, but don't invest too much time in this one. Even if she did break up and come to you, she'd be rebounding and that comes with all sorts of weird stuff. Good for a lay...bad for any sort of real relationship.

Depends on what you want out of this.
 
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