"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Dealing with communication & control mind games - what would you do now?

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Ok, first off, I'm new here. Hello everyone.

Now, I have a situation and I'll try to make it a short story here. I'd appreciate any tips or feedback on how you would proceed next if you're in my situation.

I met this woman online. She actually contacted me first. We had some great exchanges over a period of a few days and then I asked her out and got her number. I then texted her the next day and we immediately arranged to get together for a drink. ( she was excited and said, "I have tomorrow or saturday night available, OR even tonight! ) I gave her a few options and she said she loved one place, so that's where we met.

Turned out that we had a pretty awesome date. We even ate dinner and hung around for a couple of hours. Pretty good for a week night, as she had to work the next day. There was a lot of amazing eye contact, smiling, etc. The vibe was tight. It was pretty obvious we were both enjoying ourselves. ( before I continue, I should mention the 'points' game we were playing. She originally contacted me and asked me how many points she got for x and y, etc. I mentioned something about bonus points in my profile ) After we paid, we left and I walked her to her car and she practically jumped on me giving me a huge hug. She said to let her know how many points she scored, etc. Here's where I made my first mistake. I told her that she was really great and that we should get together again soon. What I should have done is just said "this was fun, have a great night", I think.

So, the next day, I was legitimately busy, but I also decided that I would wait until Saturday to contact her. When I did, I just sent a random text saying something like, 'still adding up points, you scored x for this etc'. I was hoping this might kickstart a little back and forth, but she didn't reply ( she clearly didn't like the text and my delayed report of points scored ). My phone signal was really in and out and I wasn't even sure if the text was sent or not. I waited until the next night. No reply. So now I decided that I wanted to make it more clear to her. ( this might have also been a mistake ) I emailed her instead of texting, basically saying hey, not sure if my text was going out or not. I had a nice time with you the other night, and I hope we can get together again sometime. )

She didn't reply to that email ever. The next afternoon, she texted back. "Sweet! Sorry for the late reply. Been busy. Yeah we should definitely hang out again "

So, at least she replied. I felt like the fact that I waited 2 days to reply back to her after the first date sort of put her on the defensive. So she then started playing the 'game' with me. I decided that I didn't want to wait 24 hours to reply, so I waited 4 or 6 or something. I just said, Great! I look forward to it.

She never replied. I decided then to just chill for a while. I waited 3 days and then I decided to try and take control back by asking her out again directly. This time I called her. I figured I'd get voicemail and I did. I decided to leave a message anyway so she could hear my voice. I kept it short but said hey, hope you're well etc. Do you want to get together this weekend? Let me know. Catcha later.

The next afternoon, she finally replied. Hey ____! Thank you for your call. My weekend is booked! Let's grab a drink next week, cool?

I wasn't surprised she pulled this. I waited til the next day and text her back.
Hey _____, yeah, next weekend sounds good, how about Saturday night?!

So now she waited 2 days to respond, instead of my previous 1 full day. Finally, her response was. Hey _____! Not sure I can do Sat night. Maybe a afternoon coffee or a quick drink?

Now at this point, I'm basically trying to decide if I want to proceed and how.
She's obviously playing control games and maybe it's because she thought I was playing games from the beginning, but I gave her a couple of opportunities to stop with the games.

I feel like I could go a few ways here. Let me know what you think or what you might do in this situation.

1. I could simply go NC and write her off. She's not 'sure' if she has Sat available for me, and then only has time for a quick afternoon coffee or something.

2. I could call her on her bs and say, hey, unfortunately this seems to have degraded into mind games ( or just a game ) and I don't have time for it. Let me know when you become sure about having time to go out properly. Or something along these lines.

3. I could doubly play the game back ( which isn't really my style but it's an option ) and wait 3 or 4 days to respond. I could even say I'm busy back. And then try to schedule another proper evening out. But at this point, I am just chasing her and she's shooting me down and trying to control the situation.

If I do call her on her bs, I'd rather not wait 4 days to do it. I'm leaning towards 1 or 2, because at this point, I don't want to waste more time and weeks going by with an unknown situation. I can be meeting and dating other women.

It's frustrating, because we had a freaking great connection. There was chemistry for sure. But I'm not going to be a doormat for anyone.

Thoughts or advice?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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like2jam said:
This time I called her. I figured I'd get voicemail and I did.
You realize that she was staring at her phone seeing your name pop up and purposely ignoring you right?

That's #1.

You realize that girls online get 100's of messages a week right? The fact that she messaged you first is interesting, but it doesn't change the fact that she is probably getting more messages than she can reply to in an average day.

All that acting busy business on her part? The flakiness? She's probably got a date lined up every night of the week. She's looking for the bigger, better deal. That's what all girls online do pretty much. You're on the back-burner till her #1 & #2 pick drops out.

That's #2.

The verdict: online dating is a crapshoot. If a girl goes cold on you, IMMEDIATELY move on and forget about her. You wasted too much time on this useless online girl. I hope you learned your lesson.
 

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Ok, thanks for your input. You say option 1. NC and move on.
 

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like2jam said:
Ok, thanks for your input. You say option 1. NC and move on.
You got it!

Regarding the other options:

Playing games is a waste of time. You should have better things to do.

Never call a girl out on her games. It is as futile as yelling at your 8 month old for crapping his diaper.
 

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Yeah, you're probably right regarding calling her out on the games. Pretty pointless. She'll figure it out on her own when she never hears back from me again.

And at least she texted me last and now I can go NC. Leave her to wonder...
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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like2jam said:
Yeah, you're probably right regarding calling her out on the games. Pretty pointless. She'll figure it out on her own when she never hears back from me again.

And at least she texted me last and now I can go NC. Leave her to wonder...
How old is she?
 

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like2jam said:
She's early 30s
Soon enough she will become a bitter late 30's gal complaining about men and saying: "where are all the GOOD men?".

Then you will just :rolleyes: and :crackup:

So don't sweat it. Water under the bridge haha.
 

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Indeed!

She blew it big time. I'm over her already. Going to delete her number.

Thanks for your feedback.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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