"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Dealing With A Tease

ChapStick

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I met this girl, and she's cool and all... About an HB 7, and she admits to being a tease.

We talk about sex all the time. She talks about having me in her bed. She said she has never had sex before, and she wears one of those promise rings. I asked her, "So you are not gonna have sex until you are married? That's kinda wierd... But I respect that... It's different lol" and she told me, "Well maybe when I want to have sex or when I know I'm in love."

I like a challenge and the best way I see to approach this is to hide signs of the effects of her teasing. THen again I don't have much experience with women who are a tease.

ANyone have any advice on this?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Jeffst1980

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Teasing by using sexuality is just another s#it test....and the rule for those is: don't react. Sometimes a girl will be overtly sexually flirtatious with a guy and the guy will think it's ok to pursue b/c he has it in the bag...this is wrong because it plays into her frame and gives her the power.

In your situation, it may be best to let this one go and don't push the sex issue...she's a nice girl with a promise ring, and sometimes it just ain't worth the chase! Oddly enough, the minute you stop acting interested in her sexually is probably the moment that she considers you for such an endeavor...the joys of psychology...
 

ChapStick

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Jeffst1980 said:
Teasing by using sexuality is just another s#it test....and the rule for those is: don't react. Sometimes a girl will be overtly sexually flirtatious with a guy and the guy will think it's ok to pursue b/c he has it in the bag...this is wrong because it plays into her frame and gives her the power.

In your situation, it may be best to let this one go and don't push the sex issue...she's a nice girl with a promise ring, and sometimes it just ain't worth the chase! Oddly enough, the minute you stop acting interested in her sexually is probably the moment that she considers you for such an endeavor...the joys of psychology...
I like your view on things man!

Is there anyone else that has succeeding in winning over a girl like this? SHe's already attracted to me physically.. We both think we're attractive.. lol
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Zer0

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If a girl is going to talk about sex to me. I pursue as long as i see fit. After all it's the perfect opportunity for me to talk dirty to her and 90% of the time it WORKS. Just do it in a way where you don't make her feel like a SLUT.

Another thing i always do is to make sure that when we talk about sex, it's about how badly she WANTS to do it WITH ME. Not the other way around. Yes, i'm a guy and YES we do think about SEX 120 hours a day. But it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going to bone her. She isn't the only vagina in the world so i won't treat her like she's the only vagina in the world. There ARE others.
 
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