"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

David DeAngelo To Come Out With Internet Marketing Program

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

Read more...

NickBe

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 15, 2007
Messages
506
Reaction score
2
David Deangelo is a fraud. This is an interesting concept he uses an internet business to teach people how to run a successful internet business. It is just common sense stuff, I run my own internet business.
 

noirsake

Don Juan
Joined
Jan 22, 2007
Messages
172
Reaction score
1
Location
Cawabunga
just another way for him to steal money from people lol
jkin David D is one of my heros
 

Bonhomme

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jan 2, 2002
Messages
3,956
Reaction score
16
Location
Land of the Ruins
His internet marketing is pretty effective.
 

NickBe

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 15, 2007
Messages
506
Reaction score
2
it is but that doesn't mean he isn't a fraud.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

Read more...

NickBe

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 15, 2007
Messages
506
Reaction score
2
When somebody teaches men how to get attractive women and then releases a new program teaching women how to get hot men it doesn't sit well with me.

Then there is the fact that most of his **** is common sense he regurgitated from some other seduction guru and what isn't just does not work.
 

Roulette

Don Juan
Joined
Jan 30, 2007
Messages
75
Reaction score
1
My official stance is that he's a marketing genius. I'll be buying his product, as I'm in internet marketing myself (to some extent).
 

Gangster Of Love

Master Don Juan
Joined
Dec 27, 2002
Messages
2,574
Reaction score
66
Age
52
Location
Los Angeles
NickBe,

Why don't you share with us who are interested all your internet marketing secrets and show us how to scam people on the net, for free, that way we don't have to give money to David D.
 

NickBe

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 15, 2007
Messages
506
Reaction score
2
So you assume all internet marketing is a scam? no such thing as a legitimate internet business?

My books are sold on amazon.com (no they are not internet marketing guides) kind of hard to scam people by selling books on Amazon.com, Isn't it?

They key to internet marketing is emails, legally obtained through a opt-in e-mail list. '

I couldn't agree with you more Roullete even though he is a fraud he is a marketing genius.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

Read more...

Lust

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jan 6, 2007
Messages
833
Reaction score
19
NickBe said:
So you assume all internet marketing is a scam? no such thing as a legitimate internet business?

My books are sold on amazon.com (no they are not internet marketing guides) kind of hard to scam people by selling books on Amazon.com, Isn't it?

They key to internet marketing is emails, legally obtained through a opt-in e-mail list. '

I couldn't agree with you more Roullete even though he is a fraud he is a marketing genius.
Yet another sad case of a close minded individual.

So many people have this mindset that seduction gurus are all frauds and are all just in it to scam people's money.

Yes, they are greedy, but that doesn't mean they are all fraud, and that they are not effective.
 

NickBe

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 15, 2007
Messages
506
Reaction score
2
Man you are 15 years old you do not understand the ways of the world. You probably do not even know how to shave. You are probably still a virgin...

Not all seduction gurus are frauds but a guy who teaches men how to get hot women and then teaches women how to get hot men is a fraud. He is playing both sides of the fence and even he knows its wrong otherwise he would not have used another pseudonym when he begun to teach women how to get men.

He is not a seduction guru he is a marketing guru and a great one. I actually learned a few things from him as far as marketing goes.

The stuff in his books is common sense and a lot of it just doesn't work but I am sure it works on the 15 year old girls you go for.
 

KarmaSutra

Banned
Joined
Oct 13, 2005
Messages
4,818
Reaction score
142
Age
53
Location
Padron Reserve maduro in hand while finishing my b
As I've been espousing the years I've been here, Deangelo is a snake oil salesman. Nothing more. He does not field test his "material" (which is just stuff he's rewritten and reorganized by those he's interviewed). Watch any of his products and tell me if he doesn't read everything from his laptop or teleprompter.

Go on check it out, I'll wait . . .

{{whistling to myself . . .tapping my feet listening to Tool}}

Oh, you're back already? Told you. Anyone who is a teacher and instructor who is schooled in his own information is congruent with it in body and mind. Deangelo is none of those.

What I'll give Mystery is that he does know what he's talking about. He doesn't need to stare at a laptop and regurgitate what he's reading.

NickBe, pay no attention to Deangelo's drones who are mere sheeple and content to live as followers with no balls.
 

Holland

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 3, 2005
Messages
782
Reaction score
10
Age
39
Location
Holland
NickBe,

How long have you been running your business?
How much time to do you invest in it?
What is it about and how much do you make from it?

I don't think he's a fraud. I learned a lot from some of his programs and books. Some of the later programs suck, because it's just repeating the same ol stuff and a lot of filler material.
But then again, his first advanced series is a good product and teaches guys the foundations of attracting women and the guest speakers are also pretty inspirational.
After you got it, there is not so much to learn from it anymore, but again it's for starting AFC's. Why bother to get into much material if you already got the skills down...

I've never bought into any marketing tricks or anything, I rarely buy things, unless the content of the material is very interesting and even then I prefer to find the stuff elsewhere for free (like a library, the internet or talking to people about it). If something is really valuable, then I buy it.
But I can see how many other people won't and buy all his products and end up disappointed when they keep running into the same materials presented just a little bit different.
I don't think that makes Mr Pagan a fraude. It makes the people who buy all his products stupid tools. ;)
 

NickBe

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 15, 2007
Messages
506
Reaction score
2
Hey Karma yeh I agree he definitely does not field test his material.

How long have you been running your business?
How much time to do you invest in it?
What is it about and how much do you make from it?
1) Just over two and a half years.

2) At the start five days per week or so, but i worked from home so it wasn't that bad. Right now maybe a few hours per week or when i need to get somethign done I will work a whole week out of the month.

3) I teach people something I do not want to get into any details. I am well know in that business and I rather remain anonymous. I make a lot from it do not want to get into specifics but right now I am worth just under one million dollars. By years end I think i will break the million dollar barrier.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

Read more...

reset

Master Don Juan
Joined
Mar 25, 2007
Messages
2,200
Reaction score
59
I think people confuse the message with the messenger. Like, if he's in a new business, then they aren't going to be successful with women.

I don't read his newsletters much anymore, but I do get his interviews with dating gurus cds, which I have gotten much from.
 

Jariel

Master Don Juan
Joined
Oct 17, 2004
Messages
4,413
Reaction score
297
Location
UK
Bonhomme said:
His internet marketing is pretty effective.
Absolutely. I'm not a fan of his seduction material and I don't believe he's all that successful with women, but there's no denying that he makes a fvcking fortune from it and that all comes down to great marketing!
 

Jariel

Master Don Juan
Joined
Oct 17, 2004
Messages
4,413
Reaction score
297
Location
UK
If you watch his first video in this series, you can see his marketing strategy in motion. It sounds like he's sharing a great secret with the viewer, he's making a lot of promises and really hyping up his strategy ("80 employees", "20 million").

He's also getting the viewer to relate to what he's saying to the point where they're thinking "this makes sense" or "this is what I've been looking for". And on top of it all, he's making it sound easy.

The genius of it is, there is nothing in the video that indicates him asking for your custom. Obviously, he wants your money, but he's making it sound like he's the one doing you the favour...like he's the prize! Sound familiar?

It leaves you wanting more of this stuff, and yet he hasn't actually shared any useful info at all. It's all just hype
 

Desdinova

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 15, 2004
Messages
11,681
Reaction score
4,879
I knew he was in it for the money when he released his first video series after releasing the soundtrack for it. Nothing like selling two copies of the same material, one with the video removed. :rolleyes:
 

Roulette

Don Juan
Joined
Jan 30, 2007
Messages
75
Reaction score
1
Jariel said:
Absolutely. I'm not a fan of his seduction material and I don't believe he's all that successful with women, but there's no denying that he makes a fvcking fortune from it and that all comes down to great marketing!
DYD makes $20 million dollars per year. Since Eben's products are digital or just CD's, the overhead is extremely little. That $20 million is pretty much pure profit. He's got about 50 employees who all work remotely from home... but that's nothing considering he probably pays them peanuts.

Kudos,
Matt
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

Top