"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Cougar10033

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Ok i tend to analyze things way way to much when it comes to dates. This girl i have been talking with at the gym a 9.5 or 10 asked me tonight to head out with her to talk about an upcomming job. I said sure she showed up all dressed up perfumed up and she said she told me she was going to pay for the dinner. The entire dinner we talked she smiled about 1 million times, she told me her interests and asked about mine. We ended up splitting a desert which sort of told me things are going well. Then at the end of the night she gave me a hug and i said so we going to do this again, her face turned red and she smiled and said oh yeah definatly. ALso based on the fact this girl has a great personality and an insane body im somewhat excited about going out again. my question is How long would you guys wait to set up something again with this girl and how would you go about doing it.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Alphathree

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I have no idea what you did to generate that level of attraction without having any clue what you're doing, but whatever it is, keep doing it.

Maybe you're just studly looking. Who knows. At any rate, if you screw this up, I will personally come over and bitc-h-slap you.

Just keep movin' on with your life and maybe in 3 or 4 days give her a call. Don't go to dinner or anything this time. Go out at maybe 9pm, go for a walk downtown, stop at a coffee shop and build rapport for ~30 minutes but dont let it get boring. Leave. Walk to the nearest park. Take her hand and lead her around . EXPLORE. Talk about anything that would go good with vanilla ice cream if it were a topping. Be scouting for a romantic spot. Stop there. Make out with her. Hold her for a while and let it sink in that you are the most romantic guy on the planet.

Walk around for a bit longer, take her home. Say good night. Dont say anything about "doing this again"

This is Alphathree's flawsless romantic-makeout-session-date-idea
 

Cougar10033

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I think i got her because of how bad i am at picking up signals, she used to run in the gym and run right for me and start talking. Then today she called me over and asked me to go to out with her....Everyother guy in the gym drools over her some guy followed her into the parking lot and told her hes amazed he is working out next to someone as beautiful as she is and i guess by me unknowingly being a challenge while she was giving me signals to ask her out, drove her to ask me out ???
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Cougar10033

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Because the hug was right as we got out of the resteraunt, we were both about to leave when i said so we gonna do this again and then she got that flustered excited look and said Oh yeah definately, at that point i realized the night out wasnt her attempt at being friends but more. lol like i said my biggest problem is confidence and reading girls body language. When i was younger i looked nothing like i do now, so i never had luck with women until my 20's.
 

Cougar10033

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Ok here is an update today i did not go to the gym at the same time she usually does. I did not call her at all. Going to go out with my friends tonight and tommorow night and then give her a call Saturday. You think this is the right way to play it, completly stay out of sight for a few days and then call. Its driving me nuts because when shes at the gym so many friggin guys try and pick her up... of course i would never let anyone know it bothers me.
 

skinnydart

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Wow, good work.

wow, keep up the good work, and about not kissing her I think that's good. That is what every other guy is dieing to do and would do if given the chance to go out with her. By not kissing her it makes her wonder why and makes you seem more of a challenge, something girls of her attraction level are looking for. You showed that you're willing to go out and have a good time with other things on your mind than trying to see how far you can get.

By the 2nd day however, definently go for it. At this point, fu.ck trying to read body laungauge, just go on this next outing assuming she's into you.
 

S-lemond

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does anyone have ne advice
 

skinnydart

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E_ze05, you're supossed to be giving it.

P.S. if you really want to see some, look up.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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