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I haven't been visited this thread or been on here in a bit... but what's going on? We thought BTC would hit 100 by end of year and it's not even half that.

Is this unexpected? Should we just feel glad it's still low and we can acquire more now?
 

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I haven't been visited this thread or been on here in a bit... but what's going on? We thought BTC would hit 100 by end of year and it's not even half that.

Is this unexpected? Should we just feel glad it's still low and we can acquire more now?
That’s because it’s a scam. The sooner you realize this the better
 

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That’s because it’s a scam. The sooner you realize this the better
I will give you this, 85% of crypto is a straight up money grab/scam. The other 15% is mainly highly speculative new tech, 1-5% will actually be companies of immense value over longer periods of time. If you think the whole industry is a scam and going away though, I may buy you a helmet so you don't hurt yourself.
 
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I haven't been visited this thread or been on here in a bit... but what's going on? We thought BTC would hit 100 by end of year and it's not even half that.

Is this unexpected? Should we just feel glad it's still low and we can acquire more now?
Nobody knows what the price is going to do in the short term, that is the lesson here. Everyone expected similar parabolic moves to the previous cycles, if you take away anything from this market, it very rarely does what the consensus is. I believe you said you were in BTC and ETH previously, you are going to be fine, just continue to dollar cost average into those. At some point they will get moving again, lot of the other crap will get washed out at some point. Weather thats in the next few months or a year or two from now, nobody knows. Just stick those with limited risk and over time you will do great.
 

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I will give you this, 85% of crypto is a straight up money grab/scam. The other 15% is mainly highly speculative new tech, 1-5% will actually be companies of immense value over longer periods of time. If you think the whole industry is a scam and going away though, I may buy you a helmet so you don't hurt yourself.
I’ll be fine, I’ll just buy GME :p
 

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Nobody knows what the price is going to do in the short term, that is the lesson here. Everyone expected similar parabolic moves to the previous cycles, if you take away anything from this market, it very rarely does what the consensus is. I believe you said you were in BTC and ETH previously, you are going to be fine, just continue to dollar cost average into those. At some point they will get moving again, lot of the other crap will get washed out at some point. Weather thats in the next few months or a year or two from now, nobody knows. Just stick those with limited risk and over time you will do great.
Thanks. What do you mean by doing dollar cost average?
 

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Thanks. What do you mean by doing dollar cost average?
Just setting up a daily, weekly or monthly automatic buy. Unless you want to watch the charts 24/7 and are confident in timing markets, it a great way to smooth out the volatility. If the price drops, you are picking up some at a lower price and lowering your average cost, if it goes up you have a position to participate in the upside. Most of the vets in the space would recommend this method for most people.

For Bitcoin, strike app is by far the cheapest way to auto buy. For everything else I use pretty much coinbase pro and kucoin, not positive you can set an auto buy on there though, maybe have to use regular coinbase for the auto where the fees are not the best. I do have an auto buy for bitcoin on strike that I just leave on, relatively small but overtime the compounded growth is powerful and would rather not sit in cash. I also have around 25% of my holdings sitting interest accounts that pay me in crypto, that comes out to a decent amount and am just leaving it in so in a way look that as Dollar cost averaging too. I've used a few platforms but am primarily using crypto.com where I get 6.5%.

The volatility in this industry, especially if new, can be hard to stomach. The best way to deal with that is educating yourself to develop conviction in your holdings. If you think there is a place for bitcoin and this industry in the future, everything is going much much higher. It will just take time. Once you have been in a few years your original cost is outside the volatility range the moves are easier to stomach. The best thing you could do is determine an amount weekly/monthly that you can afford to put in, set up an auto buy, and just leave it on and forget about it for a while. The important part is leaving it on when the market feels like it is going to zero, that is when the real multiples are made. Really educate yourself on this stuff though, it is important.
 

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I haven't been visited this thread or been on here in a bit... but what's going on? We thought BTC would hit 100 by end of year and it's not even half that.

Is this unexpected? Should we just feel glad it's still low and we can acquire more now?
Truth is nobody knows wtf it is going to do because it's entire value model is derived from FOMO , until first world financial systems / governments agree bitcoin is a tangible asset you may as well be trading bottle caps


WEB3 is interesting , metaverse is interesting , NFT's are interesting, heck even decentralised ledgers are interesting

Bitcoin isn't , it was just first kid on the block and got a head start still so many people involved with it that don't have a fvcking clue what a blockchain is

When you understand the economics and real world applications of tokenisation you understand it's already too late for bitcoin to really be used for much other than " a store of value " which i am not really convinced about

I can sort of see ETH 2.0 working as a native layer within web 3 so it would make more sense to put your money there

The biggest question is will a gov or CB's be prepared to adopt ETH 2.0 in their own web3 applications or will they want their own token

I think i already know the answer unfortunately but time will tell
 

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Truth is nobody knows wtf it is going to do because it's entire value model is derived from FOMO , until first world financial systems / governments agree bitcoin is a tangible asset you may as well be trading bottle caps


WEB3 is interesting , metaverse is interesting , NFT's are interesting, heck even decentralised ledgers are interesting

Bitcoin isn't , it was just first kid on the block and got a head start still so many people involved with it that don't have a fvcking clue what a blockchain is

When you understand the economics and real world applications of tokenisation you understand it's already too late for bitcoin to really be used for much other than " a store of value " which i am not really convinced about

I can sort of see ETH 2.0 working as a native layer within web 3 so it would make more sense to put your money there

The biggest question is will a gov or CB's be prepared to adopt ETH 2.0 in their own web3 applications or will they want their own token

I think i already know the answer unfortunately but time will tell
I get all my NFTs for free
 

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Truth is nobody knows wtf it is going to do because it's entire value model is derived from FOMO , until first world financial systems / governments agree bitcoin is a tangible asset you may as well be trading bottle caps


WEB3 is interesting , metaverse is interesting , NFT's are interesting, heck even decentralised ledgers are interesting

Bitcoin isn't , it was just first kid on the block and got a head start still so many people involved with it that don't have a fvcking clue what a blockchain is

When you understand the economics and real world applications of tokenisation you understand it's already too late for bitcoin to really be used for much other than " a store of value " which i am not really convinced about

I can sort of see ETH 2.0 working as a native layer within web 3 so it would make more sense to put your money there

The biggest question is will a gov or CB's be prepared to adopt ETH 2.0 in their own web3 applications or will they want their own token

I think i already know the answer unfortunately but time will tell
This actually is a really bad take and shows you don't understand the topic or applications. I don't have the time to break it down today but like you say, time will tell.
 

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This actually is a really bad take and shows you don't understand the topic or applications. I don't have the time to break it down today but like you say, time will tell.
What don't i understand ?

Why is bitcoin more valuable than all the other tokens ? when in a lot of cases it doesn't have half as much utility and is still operating on an economically inefficient POW concept

Because it was the first and people love hype
 

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What don't i understand ?

Why is bitcoin more valuable than all the other tokens ? when in a lot of cases it doesn't have half as much utility and is still operating on an economically inefficient POW concept

Because it was the first and people love hype
Incorrect, the POW model is what allows the network to remain secure and competitive, it also incentivizes it to adapt to different stressors ex. China mining ban. With this model the BTC network has almost become a living organism that constantly changes and improves as the environment around it changes. All money throughout history that had any type of sustainability had some POW model. Where man hours or energy were needed to produce it. Think gold and silver and mining. Without that, the money could be infinitely created and did not have or hold any value over time. The more miners that participate and the more efficient the equipment becomes only increases the security, integrity and value of the network.

I think a major point you are missing is it's simplicity is a feature not a bug. It's sole purpose is to be pure monetary energy that is secure liquid, decentralized and everyone knows/trusts the rules and they can't be changed. Bitcoin by far is superior in these qualities to any other crypto. Any transaction cost/speed issues will be handled on Layer2/3 solutions then settles in bulk on the base layer. Its addressable potential market is all assets that carry a store of value premium. This includes gold, stocks, bonds, real estate and others. That doesn't mean it takes all the value from these assets classes but can take the portion of the premium they hold since people have had no where else to park their money in a fiat/inflationary system. The values of these assets will come down closer to their actual utility over time. If you price these assets in btc instead of dollars, you can actually see it happening in real time.

Look, I know this concept can be hard to wrap your head around, there really is not any other way to do it other than to put in hundreds if not thousands of hours into really understanding it and it's incentive structure. Paradigm shifts are often hard to conceptualize and see and can sound completely insane at first. If you really want to understand it, I suggest you start with reading "The bitcoin standard". Here are a few videos on why the POW model is important. Until you put in the work yourself though, these conversations are pointless.



 

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Incorrect, the POW model is what allows the network to remain secure and competitive, it also incentivizes it to adapt to different stressors ex. China mining ban. With this model the BTC network has almost become a living organism that constantly changes and improves as the environment around it changes. All money throughout history that had any type of sustainability had some POW model. Where man hours or energy were needed to produce it. Think gold and silver and mining. Without that, the money could be infinitely created and did not have or hold any value over time. The more miners that participate and the more efficient the equipment becomes only increases the security, integrity and value of the network.

I think a major point you are missing is it's simplicity is a feature not a bug. It's sole purpose is to be pure monetary energy that is secure liquid, decentralized and everyone knows/trusts the rules and they can't be changed. Bitcoin by far is superior in these qualities to any other crypto. Any transaction cost/speed issues will be handled on Layer2/3 solutions then settles in bulk on the base layer. Its addressable potential market is all assets that carry a store of value premium. This includes gold, stocks, bonds, real estate and others. That doesn't mean it takes all the value from these assets classes but can take the portion of the premium they hold since people have had no where else to park their money in a fiat/inflationary system. The values of these assets will come down closer to their actual utility over time. If you price these assets in btc instead of dollars, you can actually see it happening in real time.

Look, I know this concept can be hard to wrap your head around, there really is not any other way to do it other than to put in hundreds if not thousands of hours into really understanding it and it's incentive structure. Paradigm shifts are often hard to conceptualize and see and can sound completely insane at first. If you really want to understand it, I suggest you start with reading "The bitcoin standard". Here are a few videos on why the POW model is important. Until you put in the work yourself though, these conversations are pointless.



POW is already outdated and economically inefficient i suggest you update your knowledge as most tokens are already moving to POS including ETH 2.0
 

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POW is already outdated and economically inefficient i suggest you update your knowledge as most tokens are already moving to POS including ETH 2.0
Your lazy and uneducated response will most likely lead to corresponding results. Good luck.
 

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Guys, I totally admit I was wrong about bitcoin. I didn’t think we’d make it to 100K by end of 2021 but we did so I admit I was wrong
 

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Guys, I totally admit I was wrong about bitcoin. I didn’t think we’d make it to 100K by end of 2021 but we did so I admit I was wrong
Extended cycle or potential super cycle setting up, which is a good thing...

I'm trading both sides of the market so I am cool with whatever it does
 

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Extended cycle or potential super cycle setting up, which is a good thing...

I'm trading both sides of the market so I am cool with whatever it does
Agree, nothing has changed for me long term. Potentially could get ugly at some point if the entire economy/markets pukes or they actually do rate hikes. In March 2020 when there was a that giant wick down a lot of people got wiped out using leverage. Some of the better traders too, just use some caution and don't get over exposed. If that does happen, I will be plowing every last available resource I have into this market.
 

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Agree, nothing has changed for me long term. Potentially could get ugly at some point if the entire economy/markets pukes or they actually do rate hikes. In March 2020 when there was a that giant wick down a lot of people got wiped out using leverage. Some of the better traders too, just use some caution and don't get over exposed. If that does happen, I will be plowing every last available resource I have into this market.
I use very tight stops, so my losses are never more than roughly $100, and I tend to move my stops quickly into profit when the trade starts going well.

I also never chase trades...either it hits my limit buys or it doesn't, but I won't change them...that's where people get into trouble. Trying to chase candles instead of waiting for them to come back to you.
 

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Agree, nothing has changed for me long term. Potentially could get ugly at some point if the entire economy/markets pukes or they actually do rate hikes. In March 2020 when there was a that giant wick down a lot of people got wiped out using leverage. Some of the better traders too, just use some caution and don't get over exposed. If that does happen, I will be plowing every last available resource I have into this market.
Hilarious how bitcoin maxis were claiming bitcoin would be a safe haven against this
 

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