Crime does not pay

[fertileTurtle]

I don't care what you say, the punishment doesn't fit the crime here. That's like if you stole someone's car stereo, the judge giving you life in prison. Sure, you did a crime, but that doesn't mean any punishment the judge gives is justified. Please explain to me how downloading one single song can cost someone $80,000 worth of damage?? If not, then it's obvious the system was being abusive to this woman.

I agree, but what can you say? The music industry loses way too much money over this. They are probably getting the most out of every judgement they can in an attempt to stop this idiocy. I hope they nail every one they catch to the wall. It's bad for honest business people to have to deal with this crap. I don't want to live in a world where theft is rewarded.

I'm surprised to hear that she downloaded only 1 song. I think she was involved with the uploading of songs. And it probably costs a lot of money to catch only 1 person when you count in all the people they try and catch and they don't. You don't know all the time and money spent on catching and prosecuting 1 person coupled with all the money lost from all the uploads from 1 person. It would not surprise me if this number is pretty close when you count it all in.

What this really is is organized crime. You have mobs of people trying to bilk businesses of their money. If you think of it that way, it makes much more sense. People should be scared of doing this sort of thing.

 

[Alle_Gory]

I agree, but what can you say? The music industry loses way too much money over this. They are probably getting the most out of every judgement they can in an attempt to stop this idiocy. I hope they nail every one they catch to the wall. It's bad for honest business people to have to deal with this crap. I don't want to live in a world where theft is rewarded.

I'm surprised to hear that she downloaded only 1 song. I think she was involved with the uploading of songs. And it probably costs a lot of money to catch only 1 person when you count in all the people they try and catch and they don't. You don't know all the time and money spent on catching and prosecuting 1 person coupled with all the money lost from all the uploads from 1 person. It would not surprise me if this number is pretty close when you count it all in.

What this really is is organized crime. You have mobs of people trying to bilk businesses of their money. If you think of it that way, it makes much more sense. People should be scared of doing this sort of thing.

Yeah you're right. Everyone who has shared music should be in jail, or paying multi-million dollar judgements to these companies. These people are thieves plain and simple. Stealing music is like stealing an idea. Its just theft.

Same with the artists. Those bastards only support this kind of theft. Look at Moby, he should be in jail for promoting the theft of his own music. That son of a b*tch.


/sarcasm

 

[speakeasy]

I agree, but what can you say? The music industry loses way too much money over this. They are probably getting the most out of every judgement they can in an attempt to stop this idiocy. I hope they nail every one they catch to the wall. It's bad for honest business people to have to deal with this crap. I don't want to live in a world where theft is rewarded.

I'm surprised to hear that she downloaded only 1 song. I think she was involved with the uploading of songs. And it probably costs a lot of money to catch only 1 person when you count in all the people they try and catch and they don't. You don't know all the time and money spent on catching and prosecuting 1 person coupled with all the money lost from all the uploads from 1 person. It would not surprise me if this number is pretty close when you count it all in.

What this really is is organized crime. You have mobs of people trying to bilk businesses of their money. If you think of it that way, it makes much more sense. People should be scared of doing this sort of thing.

It's irreversible. The cat is long out of the bag and illegal file sharing isn't going anywhere. They can start suing people all they want, but that's not going to stop the activity. Especially kids who think they'll never get caught anyway. And what are they going to do? Sue some 14 year old kid for a million dollars?

This whole thing is different from normal theft. If I walk in and steal somebody's shirt from a store, it is an actual loss. But if someone downloads a song, there's no way to tell if that person would've bought that song if that was the only way to get it.

I could honestly care less about the record industry, they've gouged people for way too long. It was cheaper to make CDs than tapes, yet they charged twice the price for CDs all those years, ripping people off. These companies are still profitable. Jay-Z, Jessica Simpson, Kanye West, Beyonce Pink, Soulja Boy, etc on the pop charts are still millionaires and raking in the dough. Boo hoo for them.

The only artist I have any concern for are the small independent artist with small followings. They will probably be most hurt by illegal downloads.

 

[Captain Harlock]

The only artist I have any concern for are the small independent artist with small followings. They will probably be most hurt by illegal downloads.

no they won't. Downloads will only help to promote them, because their cds would never sell that much anyway. It's the record labels that get hurt the most, and they can rot for all I care. They have absolutely no right to complain.

 

[fertileTurtle]

Yeah you're right. Everyone who has shared music should be in jail, or paying multi-million dollar judgements to these companies. These people are thieves plain and simple. Stealing music is like stealing an idea. Its just theft.

Same with the artists. Those bastards only support this kind of theft. Look at Moby, he should be in jail for promoting the theft of his own music. That son of a b*tch.


/sarcasm

You amuse me Al, you really do. You can steal ideas to a certain point and that's ok, but the finished product on which money has been spent to circulate and sell is a different matter. To every reward there is a risk. You can steal all you want in fact. Just don't complain when you get caught.

Everything has a relative value depending on it's owner which means if you take that relative value away you will incur relative retribution from the owner.

 

[PRMoon]

You amuse me Al, you really do. You can steal ideas to a certain point and that's ok, but the finished product on which money has been spent to circulate and sell is a different matter. To every reward there is a risk. You can steal all you want in fact. Just don't complain when you get caught.

Everything has a relative value depending on it's owner which means if you take that relative value away you will incur relative retribution from the owner.

I know career criminals who have never gone to jail and others who have for very short periods and begun stealing again as soon as they got out. Most of those guy make more money in one day/night then I do in about two weeks. And it's not as if I don't get paid, it's just that their avenues for revenue are more lucritive then mine

Being a career criminal is a lifestyle you couldn't possibly understand nor speculate on because you've never lived on that side of the fence. That's not a criticisim, in fact it's a compliment. I don't exactly feel like a boyscout for associating with and dealing with these people but that's where I ended up. Regardless, the idea that these people will always get caught is fallous in nature. Beating security systems in houses neighborhood watch and security and even the police is not the un scaleable wall that they all advertize. With enough time and planning, robbing somone for a million dollars worth of goods can be compared to a medium level hike in the mountains.

 

[Captain Harlock]

You amuse me Al, you really do. You can steal ideas to a certain point and that's ok, but the finished product on which money has been spent to circulate and sell is a different matter. To every reward there is a risk. You can steal all you want in fact. Just don't complain when you get caught.

Everything has a relative value depending on it's owner which means if you take that relative value away you will incur relative retribution from the owner.

how is it 'stealing'? You're not taking anything away from somebody else, you're making a copy of digital information when you download. Even getting the justice system involved in this is ridiculous and only proves how much of a joke the USA is.

 

[Alle_Gory]

You amuse me Al, you really do. You can steal ideas to a certain point and that's ok, but the finished product on which money has been spent to circulate and sell is a different matter. To every reward there is a risk. You can steal all you want in fact. Just don't complain when you get caught.

Everything has a relative value depending on it's owner which means if you take that relative value away you will incur relative retribution from the owner.

Its only stealing if its taking away. For example, the music I download, I don't intend to purchase. Ever. I only buy CDs I want to keep for longer than a year.

So am I a thief?


And btw, you must not have met real thieves in your life otherwise you wouldn't be so hard on everyone. Meet some real scum and lets see how your bulletproof morality holds up.